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#1 16-07-08 20:10:43

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Roundabouts

Hi i would like to advise on how to deal with roundabouts that have more than the usual bog standard exits, being 12, 3, 6 & 9 on the clockface.
is there a web site that i can find this info out on.

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#2 16-07-08 21:48:57

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Re: Roundabouts

Google earth/maps is a great tool, i print pictures off so i can show my pupils some of the bigger more complicated ones before we actually tackle them.
Try that if you know any particular ones in the area you are learning to drive in, u can zoom in and out etc to get a better view.

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#3 16-07-08 22:35:34

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Re: Roundabouts

On appoach to a larger roundabout, and by larger I mean a roundabout with more exits than "your bog standard" roundabout you'll usually find a sign on approach.

If the exit you are after is after the 12 o clock position the position to the right and and treat as a roundabout as though you are turning right.

As you're passing the exit before the one that you want to take, then mirrors & signal to the left but before you drift left, glance to you're left to look for other rd users in your blind spot.

http://www.roundabouts-tutorial.com/tut … index.html

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#4 17-07-08 11:46:15

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Re: Roundabouts

Hi, thanks for your reply's,  im sorry but roundabout have always thrown me, probably more than they should.

I have another RB issue, what if the roundabout on the road map says that there are 3 more exits,  Im approaching at 6, there is an exit at 7, 9 and 12, how would you treat the exit at 12, would you treat it as a right turn.

Also is it true that any junction after 12, (say at 1 2 or 3) should be treated as a right turn and if so i must stay in the right lane untill just before the exit i want and then mirrors and signal to leave.

Sorry and thanks

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#5 17-07-08 12:17:34

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Re: Roundabouts

12 would be straight ahead, anything before (say 7 9) would be left turn, on all these you would keep LEFT.

Anything after 12 (say 1 2 or 3) are right turns and would need right signal on approach, keep RIGHT on approach and during the R/A until the the exit before. Then it's mirrors and signal to the LEFT, glance left then manoeuvre to the left of the R/A when safe to do so, for your exit.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTr … /DG_070338

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#6 17-07-08 17:20:01

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Re: Roundabouts

I wouldn't agree that everything after 12 o'clock is a right turn. Look at the signs and road markings (arrows) on approach; you may well see that the road you want is shown as "ahead" even though it's past 12 o'clock. In those circumstances I would think about whether a signal is likely to help or hinder (a right turn signal in those circumstances might be interpreted as your intention to go all the way round and back the way you came). Remember we signal to inform others and not to slavishly obey some rule or other.


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#7 18-07-08 12:25:48

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Re: Roundabouts

Thanks for your help.

So what you are saying is that where the rules clearly apply then follow them, but if there are more than 3 exits,   
So long as we are not misleading you just use the lane that you think is the most appropriate and  dont cut anybody up.

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#8 18-07-08 19:56:10

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Re: Roundabouts

I tell my pupils that "the examiner describes an exit as streight ahead" even if you think it's off to the right, remember, he is the examiner and he said streight ahead. 


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#9 21-07-08 13:48:27

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Re: Roundabouts

Hi thanks for your reply chris,

But your reply doesnt really help me if i pass my test.

My reply above is that correct, what is the rule for roundabouts with more than 3 exits

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#10 22-07-08 15:51:17

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Re: Roundabouts

I wouldn't agree that everything after 12 o'clock is a right turn. Look at the signs and road markings (arrows) on approach; you may well see that the road you want is shown as "ahead" even though it's past 12 o'clock. In those circumstances I would think about whether a signal is likely to help or hinder (a right turn signal in those circumstances might be interpreted as your intention to go all the way round and back the way you came). Remember we signal to inform others and not to slavishly obey some rule or other.

In was going to post the same thing Pete.
We have roundabouts in Keighley that show the third exit past 12. The roundabouts have 4 exits.
The road marking show straight ahead. A right signal would really cause problems.

The highway code states. (I have added the bit in bold to show not all things are the same).
186

Signals and position.

When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
    * keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave

When taking an exit to the right or going full circle, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * signal right and approach in the right-hand lane
    * keep to the right on the roundabout until you need to change lanes to exit the roundabout
    * signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

When taking any intermediate exit, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

    * select the appropriate lane on approach to the roundabout
    * you should not normally need to signal on approach
    * stay in this lane until you need to alter course to exit the roundabout
    * signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want

When there are more than three lanes at the entrance to a roundabout, use the most appropriate lane on approach and through it.

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#11 23-07-08 06:01:00

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Re: Roundabouts

Could i jump abord this topic and ask a question?  big_smile

If you were approaching from 6 o'clock and there were exits at 8, 10, 12 and 3 o clock, what would an examiner's instruction be if he wanted you to got straight ahead? Would he say
''take the third exit''
''go straight ahead,'' or
''take the third exit which is straight ahead.''

The reason i ask is because if he were to say ''take the third exit'' you might go into the right hand lane on approach thinking it's a right turn, and not see the roundabout sign until it's too late to change back. Hope i've made that clear  neutral

Thanks,

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#12 23-07-08 06:58:17

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Re: Roundabouts

Most examiners wouldn't say straight ahead (just as most ADI's wouldn't). Saying straight ahead at a roundabout can lead to people literally doing just that. They're called roundabouts because people are supposed to go round them, saying things like straight ahead often leads to straightlining of the roundabout.

Providing lane markings don't say anything different, I would imagine the directions would be along the lines of;

Left first exit (8 o'clock)
Ahead second exit (10 o'clock)
Ahead third exit (12 o'clock)
Right fourth exit ( 3 o'clock)

Generally speaking (although there are always exceptions). There is only one left, the first exit. Anything after that is ahead or right. The examiner will normally also tell you (where it is marked on signs on the approach) where the exit leads to, for example "ahead third exit signposted B 1111"


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#13 23-07-08 08:52:31

Buster
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Registered: 16-07-08
Posts: 6

Re: Roundabouts

Thanks for your help everyone, everybodys input is making more sense.

I have 2 roundabouts near me, that i am not sure about.

LINK 1http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en … 7&t=h&z=16

Please look at the St Peters rd roundabout near building (C), looking at the map as it is imagine coming in at 11oclock ish, you have 2 exits on the left one going into tower fields (ends up dead end), one going to kings ripton rd.  The 3rd exit to st peters road.

Now when you look at this i would say from a locals view that tower fields is left, kings ripton is ahead and st peters road is right, and i have seen an instructor teach it this way, but when you look at the road sign when coming in this way it says exit 1 is 1st left, exit 2 is 2nd left and exit 3 is ahead at 12oclock, now everybody goes into the right lane and signals right for the 3rd exit is this correct.  if i was a stranger to the town would i go right in the right lane or ahead in the left lane.


LINK 2 http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en … 7&t=h&z=16

In this link coming from the B1043, Final destination A15 london road.
According to road sign 1st exit is at 7oclock, 2nd exit motorway at 10oclock and 3rd exit the one i want is at 12oclock and 4th exit at 1oclock.  I as a stranger not knowing the area would look at the road sign and take the road ahead 3rd exit.  But local people treat this as a right turn. 

So my question is which one is correct the road signs or the people. 

On Link 2, i guess i could go road sign way because it such a big roundabout, not so likely to cut people up.  but on link 1 only small roundabout if i follow the road sign as a straight on in the left lane i would cut local people up.  Which is correct?

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#14 23-07-08 18:23:34

RhiannonxXx
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Re: Roundabouts

Thankyou Tony  big_smile

Rhi x

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#15 23-07-08 20:02:07

tony adi
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Re: Roundabouts

Now when you look at this i would say from a locals view that tower fields is left, kings ripton is ahead and st peters road is right, and i have seen an instructor teach it this way, but when you look at the road sign when coming in this way it says exit 1 is 1st left, exit 2 is 2nd left and exit 3 is ahead at 12oclock, now everybody goes into the right lane and signals right for the 3rd exit is this correct.  if i was a stranger to the town would i go right in the right lane or ahead in the left lane.

Can't make out any road markings from that link. Would also need to see road sign on approach to give any sort of answer.

Doubt the road sign says second exit is left. The sign would probably indicate that the left lane is for first and second exits, that's not the same as saying second exit is left (if that makes sense to you). The sign probably means keep to left lane for first and second exits. But as I say would need to see the sign.

Same problem with second link, can't make out any markings.


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#16 23-07-08 21:46:57

Buster
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Registered: 16-07-08
Posts: 6

Re: Roundabouts

Thanks for trying Tony.

tony adi wrote:

Doubt the road sign says second exit is left. The sign would probably indicate that the left lane is for first and second exits, that's not the same as saying second exit is left (if that makes sense to you). The sign probably means keep to left lane for first and second exits. But as I say would need to see the sign}

its very hard like you say without knowing the area, what to say.  As you quote above, the 1st left lane is at 7 and the 2nd exit is at 9,  which i would take by using the left lane.

Unfortunately there are now road marking advising which lane is for which way, just the regular give way lines.

Im sorry to be a pain.!!!!!

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