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#1 05-07-08 13:49:46

lik2175
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Cuttting Corners is it a bad thing to do?

I'm helping my daughter practise her driving for her driving test.  Is it bad (minor/major fault during test) to cut the corner (travel over the white lines in the center of the road she is turning into to) when turning right when this will have no impact on any other roadusers?    You could argue 1. It is bad as she is on the wrong side of the road, or 2. If there are no other road users affected then why not?

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#2 05-07-08 13:52:12

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Re: Cuttting Corners is it a bad thing to do?

Because it could become a habit and she may then do it when there is not enough of a view into the new road to be sure it is safe!

Why would you want to cut the corner anyway?  What benefit is it?

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#3 05-07-08 13:56:39

lik2175
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Re: Cuttting Corners is it a bad thing to do?

Some roads, for example where you turn back on yourself (more than 90 degrees) are very tricky to turn into without cutting the corner.  The whole manoever will be made smoother by cutting the corner.

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#4 05-07-08 14:49:59

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Re: Cuttting Corners is it a bad thing to do?

Match your speed to the situation...if its a tight turn then slow the speed right down, 1st gear and you should still be able to turn without cutting the corner.
There will be times when you have to cut a corner..ie when a vehicle is parked too close to the junction you are turning into, again match your speed to that situation.
Aslong as there is plenty of observations you should be able to see if you have to slow right down to enter the junction.
As nigel said it can develop into a bad habit, which then develop into a dangerous habit.

Some roads, for example where you turn back on yourself (more than 90 degrees) are very tricky to turn into without cutting the corner.  The whole manoever will be made smoother by cutting the corner.

True...BUT you have to think 'What If'....some is coming the other way on wrong side of the road, or too fast....
Never assume the road you are entering will be clear.

Good luck  big_smile

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#5 05-07-08 14:59:22

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Re: Cuttting Corners is it a bad thing to do?

So, even on an open junction, after slowing down and performing enough observations to satisfy yourself that there are no road users that would be affected, it is probably better to slow right down and perform the turn on the correct side of the road even if you could get away with maintaining a higher speed by cutting onto the wrong side of the road?

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#6 05-07-08 15:32:32

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Re: Cuttting Corners is it a bad thing to do?

Think about it from the learners/novice drivers perspective. What you're trying to do is minimise the risks with the manoeuvre. Cutting the corner will always have a greater risk. Chances are you may be travelling marginally quicker, that gives you less time to make effective observations. It's not what you have seen catches you out, it's what you've not seen.

Not cutting the corner keeps you on your side of the road or further away from the stuff on the other side if you like. Even if you've had a look into the corner and see no other vehicles what about pedestrians? Might they start to cross if they are expecting you stay on the correct side of the road? It's about minimising the risk to yourself and others.

Doing the turn correctly helps you and others in loads of ways. Going that bit slower gives you more time to look and asses the corner, it's easier to maneuver the car where you want it to be with less speed. Also getting into the correct position on the road will improve you view. From the experienced drivers perspective how many time have you come close to a bump because some numpty has cut the corner you were approaching needlessly. You might react quickly enough to avoid a bump, would your daughter?


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#7 05-07-08 19:20:15

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Re: Cuttting Corners is it a bad thing to do?

Many thanks to all who replied.  It's important to know that an examiner wouldn't penalise someone for slowing right down to do it properly!

Incidentally... since posting this question, I took my daughter out for a practice. She had to stop abruptly 3  metres short of the give way lines because a "numpty" cut the corner in front of us!!! smile

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#8 05-07-08 19:23:48

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Re: Cuttting Corners is it a bad thing to do?

Incidentally... since posting this question, I took my daughter out for a practice. She had to stop abruptly 3  metres short of the give way lines because a "numpty" cut the corner in front of us!!! smile

There  is the answer to your original question I think.

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#9 05-07-08 19:49:41

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Re: Cuttting Corners is it a bad thing to do?

Best thing to do is treat all other drivers as numpties, you won't be disapointed.

Stay safe.. smile
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#10 06-07-08 11:55:16

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Re: Cuttting Corners is it a bad thing to do?

Cutting corners is one of the worst habits in my area - it's a sign of impatience , resulting in approaching the corner too fast (too lazy to brake correctly) - even worse when the driver is in his her own local area ("I live here, I'm safe, nothing can hurt me, and I know every inch of this area).

Lots of posts above give good reasons why NOT to do it!


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#11 09-07-08 08:15:56

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Re: Cuttting Corners is it a bad thing to do?

I'd just add that the driving test is based on the Highway Code.

Its stats quite clearly........DO NOT CUT THE CORNER.......Whilst its not a MUST NOT ( Illegal ) in the event of an accident you may be proven to be at fault.

The problem is alot of drivers ( numpties ) get it wrong and they cut every corner they can find, and then give you the stare when your doing nothing wrong, in fact we should not even have been on the road because when they did the same turning the day before no one was there.

Half the battle with todays driving test is keeping the pupils safer than the numpties, because they are not looking out for anyone but themselves, so we are teaching a set format.

It might be worth reading the current edition if you have not already done so.

Sadly very few take up Pass Plus or any other advance driving so we can teach how to cope with driving in the real world.

If everyone followed the same rules everything would be fine. Less accidents, less polution, less traffic, less stress, happy people.


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#12 09-07-08 08:28:26

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Re: Cuttting Corners is it a bad thing to do?

Sadly very few take up Pass Plus or any other advance driving so we can teach how to cope with driving in the real world.

Hello Target,

Are you able to expand on the part in red as I'm not sure of what your saying.

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#13 09-07-08 08:32:13

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Re: Cuttting Corners is it a bad thing to do?

Yes.........If a pupil does pass plus they can learn how to drive in the real world.

They can learn to adapt their driving style to suit a better practice.

As we know there are certain rules to follow in the HWC and on a driving test which may not be the best practice in ' The real world'.

Not suggesting corners cuts, because the roads around here, you just would not do it, but there are many examples, which I do not have time to go into just now.


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#14 09-07-08 08:37:44

KevB
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Re: Cuttting Corners is it a bad thing to do?

Do they not prior to taking their test then?

Or should we be saying "forget half of what you've learnt so far, it isn't relevent now you've passed your test.  Now I can teach you how to avoid speed cameras and not just avoiding the speed limit because now you've passed, it's only about avoiding getting caught and not about obeying the rules of the road."

I know this is a big leap from your originally statement, and you did not say anything of the kind, but it does lead me into asking how does passing the test change how and what we teach, and how and what should the new driver be doing that wasnt covered on their pre test lessons?

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#15 09-07-08 11:36:24

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Re: Cuttting Corners is it a bad thing to do?

yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes yikes to Target's comment.

Keith, I am very interested in your examples.

Nigel


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