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#1 17-03-08 14:57:10

jo
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Speed limits

Is there an easy way to determine the speed limit of a road?  There are a couple of roads near me that are not built up, residential roads but there are no road signs giving the speed limit so I really don't know what speed I should be doing on them.  I believe lamp posts are one of the clues to look for in a 30mph road but any tips for any type of road would be much appreciated.  Thanks.

















































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Re: Speed limits




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#2 17-03-08 15:18:32

gs1974
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Re: Speed limits

Take a look at this link - it explains how you can determine speed limits (page 11).

In a nutshell, if there are streetlights then it is 30mph unless signs say otherwise (it might be 40 or 50mph). If there are no streetlights then there should be signs (the local council must ensure that).

That link explains it officially lest I've left any loophole in my own words, above wink


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#3 17-03-08 16:29:35

ExAdiNigel
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Re: Speed limits

Take a look at this link - it explains how you can determine speed limits (page 11).

In a nutshell, if there are streetlights then it is 30mph unless signs say otherwise (it might be 40 or 50mph).

If it isn't 30, then there should be repeater signs (the smaller red circles) on every so many street lights (unless some smartarse has pinched them for some reason)

If there are no streetlights then there should be signs (the local council must ensure that).

If there are no streetlights, the speed limit defaults to national speed limit (60 on single carriageway or 70 on dual carriageway).  Once again, if it isn't then the repeater signs must be used again.

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#4 17-03-08 21:10:02

gs1974
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Re: Speed limits

Yes, Nigel. That's what it says in the link I provided lest there should be any loopholes in my words - however tiny - above for others to try and pull open.

There are a number of unlit roads where a 30mph speed limit applies. In these circumstances the traffic authority must place 30mph repeater signs.

#5 18-03-08 02:07:36

Serpico
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Re: Speed limits

20 zones don't have repeater/reminder signs, so keep your eyes open. smile

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#6 18-03-08 05:25:14

ExAdiNigel
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Re: Speed limits

20 zones don't have repeater/reminder signs, so keep your eyes open. smile

20mph Zones have to backed up with traffic calming measures eg speed cushions or chicanes.  If they aren't then repeater signs should be used.

Whilst we are on the subject of 20mph zones, some councils have started using 'speed signs' that have a green border rather than a red border.  These 'green' signs are purely advisory and NOT mandatory.

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#7 18-03-08 09:52:30

Serpico
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Re: Speed limits

Maybe where you live, but here in Hull the latest 20 zones don't have repeater signs. OK, you'd need to be a dope to miss the big flashing 20 on the digital display, but there you have it. We also have miles and miles of 30 mph roads with speed bumps and width restrictions. The only difference between most of the humped 20 and 30 zones is the single 20 sign at the start of the former.

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#8 18-03-08 13:29:16

ExAdiNigel
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Re: Speed limits

Maybe where you live, but here in Hull the latest 20 zones don't have repeater signs.

No, perhaps they don't have repeaters, but they do have speed bumps, chicanes or similar traffic calming measures to back the 20mph zones up don't they?  I didn't say they all had repeater signs did I?  To be legally enforceable they have to have one or the other.

OK, you'd need to be a dope to miss the big flashing 20 on the digital display, but there you have it. We also have miles and miles of 30 mph roads with speed bumps and width restrictions. The only difference between most of the humped 20 and 30 zones is the single 20 sign at the start of the former.

That is where confusion can set in.  If you miss the 20mph sign at the start of the zone, it isn't always obvious that the traffic calming means you are in a 20mph zone or not.

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#9 18-03-08 16:14:13

Serpico
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From: Hull, East Yorkshire
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Re: Speed limits

No, perhaps they don't have repeaters, but they do have speed bumps, chicanes or similar traffic calming measures to back the 20mph zones up don't they?

Most of our many 20 zones do, but the most recently opened don't have chicanes or bumps. Just a 20 sign, 20 mph road marking and flashing 20mph digital display when entering the zones.

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#10 18-03-08 16:14:43

gs1974
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Re: Speed limits

That official link above states:

More often than not a 20mph speed limit will come in the form of a 'zone'. A zone will contain traffic calming features, usually road humps that force drivers to reduce their speed to around 20mph.

So a 20mph area will not always have traffic calming measures - or rather, it doesn't have to. Officially.


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#11 18-03-08 18:36:41

ExAdiNigel
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From: Plymouth, Devon
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Re: Speed limits

That official link above states:

More often than not a 20mph speed limit will come in the form of a 'zone'. A zone will contain traffic calming features, usually road humps that force drivers to reduce their speed to around 20mph.

So a 20mph area will not always have traffic calming measures - or rather, it doesn't have to. Officially.

That's right, 20mph areas are implemented in two ways.  A 20 mph speed limit which is controlled by signs and a 20 mph zone that has speed humps and the like to support it.

There was a document somewhere that went into detail on how they should be implemented.  At the moment I can't find it, but I will keep looking.

Nigel


National Standards Cycling Instructor, Ex Adi

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#12 19-03-08 17:17:17

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Re: Speed limits

I failed my DIAmond test partly due to a 20mph zone with no traffic calming measures - i was convinced the signs as i was coming out of the side road were wrong sad (There were other fail points but that was one)

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#13 19-03-08 18:06:34

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