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#1 23-11-06 13:34:05

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Safety Cameras. The truth is out !!

Ever wanted proof to the lie that Safety Cameras ( the new, driver friendly term for speed cameras) are not for profit and all income from them goes back into road safety inititives?

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#2 23-11-06 15:09:11

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Re: Safety Cameras. The truth is out !!

Well if people stopped speeding past them then they wouldn't have any money to spend would they now  :evil:


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#3 23-11-06 16:14:10

pegasus
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Re: Safety Cameras. The truth is out !!

Hi dimmy
Well I can certainly see why Lancs. surplus is lower

In Hertfordshire, a camera costs £73,167 to maintain and makes a profit of £113,334, while in Lancashire the equivalent figures are £8,972 and £12,615.

they are plowing money back into the courses as well.

It could be that the smart boards and plasma screens are being purchased ready for the rolling out of Speed Awareness courses in those counties, as it is only this year that the pilot programmes results have been finally evaluated and approved for going national.
In our case we have corporate fleeces and badges so that we all present a uniform image.

Of course the Torygraph will have also looked for the most extreme examples in order to fit with their agenda.

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#4 23-11-06 18:47:33

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Re: Safety Cameras. The truth is out !!

Smartboards or interactive whiteboards are great pieces of kit and are used a lot in schools.  Should imagine they can be put to good use in training.  T-shirts for staff?  How much did it say was spent on T-shirts?  £250!  Was it even worth mentioning?  No, I didn't think so.  Refurbishing offices?  Why not?  Which offices were being refurbished?  Perhaps offices that are going to be used as training units?

There is one very simple way of ensuring these cameras aren't used as revenue generators - obey the speed limit.  If someone chooses to break the speed limit, then how can they complain?

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#5 24-11-06 00:36:14

den676
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Re: Safety Cameras. The truth is out !!

Well if people stopped speeding past them then they wouldn't have any money to spend would they now  :evil:

Yes, Hayley they wouldn't but, in Nottingham most cameras ars SPECS one's mounted up in the air where they are hard to see, on either dual carriageway or 4 lane roads where it is easy to let your speed slip sooner or later, particulary at night.

If cameras are really just about safety why are they never outside schools etc. This is a regular feature in the local paper and these partnerships say it is too expensive to have cameras outside schools.

I avoid the 30 mph SPECS camera roads 'cos I think that just once in a while I may just let my speed slip just a little bit, particularly at night and with SPECS cameras thats all it needs and ya got 3 points just like that.

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#6 24-11-06 07:21:12

ExAdiNigel
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Re: Safety Cameras. The truth is out !!

....I avoid the 30 mph SPECS camera roads 'cos I think that just once in a while I may just let my speed slip just a little bit, particularly at night and with SPECS cameras thats all it needs and ya got 3 points just like that.

Letting your speed slip just a little bit is unlikely to get you caught with the SPECS cameras.  Since they are working on your average speed over a distance, they should be a little more forgiving and a lot fairer.

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#7 24-11-06 08:22:22

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Re: Safety Cameras. The truth is out !!

KSI= killed or seriously injured, if 3 happen in the same spot camera goes up.

in London there are 600 cameras, only 150 are operational. in my book, if i wanted to raise all the revenue i wanted, i would make them all working :evil:. they are meant to be deterrents smile


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#8 24-11-06 18:14:05

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Re: Safety Cameras. The truth is out !!

Quote from den
If cameras are really just about safety why are they never outside schools etc. This is a regular feature in the local paper and these partnerships say it is too expensive to have cameras outside schools

From next April They WILL be sited outside schools.


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#9 24-11-06 19:44:00

pegasus
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Re: Safety Cameras. The truth is out !!

Quote from den
If cameras are really just about safety why are they never outside schools etc. This is a regular feature in the local paper and these partnerships say it is too expensive to have cameras outside schools

From next April They WILL be sited outside schools.

Surely 90% of the danger outside schools is people doing 30 at school arrival and departure times, and parents stopping on the yellow zigzags.
Cameras can't do anything about that.

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#10 24-11-06 22:51:48

pj
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Re: Safety Cameras. The truth is out !!

oh well if it's in the telegraph it must be correct  roll  roll

Quote from den
If cameras are really just about safety why are they never outside schools etc.

I have seen safety camera outside schools, think you will find la mon has seen it too wink,

I agree with Nigel.

Also, there are very few cases of road traffic injury incidents outside schools that involves speed limit violation. Why put a speed camera at a site that has little history of speed related incidents. It is better to put traffic calming measures  or even CCTV than speed cameras.

Dimmy , you know nothing to support this statement, this is just your perception and like the rest of the general public it is wrong. When you have done the course that la mon & i have done and you know the stats & figures you would change that opinion. If I knew how to do it I would post a picture of a camera outside a school where 3 KSI's have happened, mon do you know how to do it :?.


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#11 25-11-06 06:02:38

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Re: Safety Cameras. The truth is out !!

My post refers to MOBILE units outside schools not fixed. Staffordshire have many many cameras at school locations already!

And schools are not just in 30's we have shcools in 40 50 and 60, s , that are also camera locations.


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#12 25-11-06 06:53:23

ExAdiNigel
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From: Plymouth, Devon
Registered: 13-12-04
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Re: Safety Cameras. The truth is out !!

pj wrote:

When you have done the course that la mon & i have done and you know the stats & figures you would change that opinion.

What course is that pj?

Nigel


National Standards Cycling Instructor, Ex Adi

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#13 25-11-06 07:40:59

la.monikita
Verified Member
From: SE LONDON / KENT
Registered: 12-03-05
Posts: 3,064

Re: Safety Cameras. The truth is out !!

pj wrote:

When you have done the course that la mon & i have done and you know the stats & figures you would change that opinion.

What course is that pj?

Nigel

Speed Awareness Scheme  big_smile

Pj and i have been put on a fast track, apparently we are so good tongue, i can't even start as am so busy with lessons  roll. i think pj's the same.

Now we have a source of drivers to start reeducation, get caught at 36-37 in a 30 you'll have an option of being retrained instead of points and a fine.

apropos schools, it seems to me that most of the mothers are driving like effing lunatics, i don't take my learners near some schools anymore  roll


"What is necessary to change a person is to change his awareness of himself."
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#14 04-09-07 01:26:34

peckerup
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Registered: 02-09-07
Posts: 92

Re: Safety Cameras. The truth is out !!

hi all. sorry to bring back an old post however, ive just come on this one as new to forum.
im just having a "flick"through previous posts.
may i be so bold as to suggest that if everyone adhered to the posted speed limits,the safety camera partnership wouldnt not have spend too much time on tracking down "speeding drivers".
im sure we have all seen the brake lights come on as vehicles approach a camera on a dual carriageway with the national limit at 70mph. why, therefore do drivers find the need to brake, sometimes rather harshly to get the speed down to 60mph ?. is this driver ignorance or what ?.
i often find that the answer is yes.
the same can be said for the speedhump moaners who rattle on about the number of speed humps in any one street. has anyone ever actually looked at the positioning of speed humps ?.
yes, they just happen to cover approaching junctions to the left.
what about the positioning of lamp posts at junctions ?. every single "t" junction has a lamp post stuck in the ground straight across from the exit junction. are these excellent clues to hazards or what ?.
i am sure if we all thought about the clues, we could see the need for them.
schools. aaaarrrgggghhhh. the message doesnt get through till a youngster runs out in front of you. the message is sent to the brain once then, speed will always be reduced from then on in.

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