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#1 11-08-07 12:12:40

Hilary Hughes
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ADI federation and views on CPD

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Peter, something has jsut struck me and I hope I'm wrong.

Am I correct in thinking that you have an interest in the ADI Fed?

If so, could the recent moves towards CPD becoming compulsory for ADI’s be the reason for you being so against people investing in other options?

After all, I gather that the ADI organisations are interested in providing CPD ( no doubt at some cost to the instructor ) and they would seem suitable business for such an organisation.

To have them moving in to other things would hardly to be to your advantage.

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Re: ADI federation and views on CPD




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#2 12-08-07 07:30:38

Roadmaster
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Re: ADI federation and views on CPD

a certain group which I believe you support is that CPD should not be compulsory

That is incorrect. To put the record straight, the organisation has supported CPD, but  is veryconcerned about the desparate rush by some organisations to get compulsory CPD in right away, even though there is yet not even a skeleton of a system to handle it, nor has there been any decision on who should run it.

A letter has apparently been sent  from these organisations to DSA demanding that compulsory CPD is introduced  very soon, rather than start an initial  voluntary scheme which would iron out any problems which could threaten an ADIs livelihood.

There's only one reason why they want it in quickly.  It's to make money from ADIs.

By the way, no courses now running have yet been approved for the  compulsory CPD scheme.   That's how much work has still to be done.

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#3 12-08-07 07:39:30

Hilary Hughes
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Re: ADI federation and views on CPD

avoid plans that offer commissions based solely on recruiting new members

Couldn't agree more, like I've already said. My business has a product.

   * be cautious of claims that you'll make money through continued growth or commissions on sales by your recruited distributors, instead of sales you make yourself

Being advised to exercise caution is not an implication that something is illegal, Peter.

You're beginning to sound like a desperate man that's out to discredit anyone that doesn't happen to see your point of view.

Indeed, I suspect other reasons than those I've pointed out for your attack, but I really can't be bothered with you any more.

As for CRB, I've already been done, so I have no worries.

Feel free to keep up your attack, BTW - I've had more enquires than ever since this thread - just look at how many have read it... big_smile


Hilary.



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#4 12-08-07 07:41:28

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Re: ADI federation and views on CPD

And the original topic for the thread was??? Sure there's a CPD thread somewhere on the forum.....


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#5 12-08-07 08:18:47

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Re: ADI federation and views on CPD

As for CRB, I've already been done, so I have no worries.

Does that mean you've been ripped off?  big_smile

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#6 12-08-07 08:28:20

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Re: ADI federation and views on CPD

... It's to make money from ADIs...

I don't fully understand the UK situation but Roadmaster's comment has struck a chord.

In Australia, Certficate IV in Driver Instruction is the minimum standard for instructors in many states, and a requirement for certain "upmarket" work in other places.
E.g. here in the Northern Territory I need it to do special training & assessing, where I can assess my own students for their licence. The NT has made the Certificate a minimum for all instructors by the end of the year.

This qual is a National Standard and can only be delivered by Registered Training Organisations who have invested enormous amounts to get accredited, the time money and paperwork involved to be an RTO is incredible. Delivering certificates is qualifications is their bread and butter, and the Federal government bureaucracy which oversees and audits the whole lot is massive too.

So of course it is in their interest to ensure that all instructors are "processed" through their systems at a regular rate. The most effective way of doing this is to "upgrade" the certificates on a regular basis, every year or two in fact. The cost can be as high as $A3,000.

If the UK system heads down this path, I feel for you all.



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#7 12-08-07 09:21:58

Zipper
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Re: ADI federation and views on CPD

And the original topic for the thread was??? Sure there's a CPD thread somewhere on the forum.....

Yes you're right.
If any moderators want to talk to me, I'll be hiding under my bed  :oops:


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#8 12-08-07 17:29:33

Madiggy
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From: UK
Registered: 07-06-05
Posts: 364

Re: ADI federation and views on CPD

Hi Road master


a certain group which I believe you support is that CPD should not be compulsory

That is incorrect. To put the record straight, the organisation has supported CPD, but  is veryconcerned about the desparate rush by some organisations to get compulsory CPD in right away, even though there is yet not even a skeleton of a system to handle it, nor has there been any decision on who should run it.

Roadmaster - Almost right but not quite - The delegates that I have met from that organisation have openly stated that they are anti CPD, but that is not their group directive. 
There has not been a desperate rush from any of the organisations to make CPD compulsory, (unless you have evidence that I am unaware of) there has been some talk of a voluntary scheme being allowed to continue for years unchecked as has been seen with other schemes involving the DSA, to that end an attempt to put a finite date on compulsory CPD has been sought.

A letter has apparently been sent  from these organisations to DSA demanding that compulsory CPD is introduced  very soon, rather than start an initial  voluntary scheme which would iron out any problems which could threaten an ADIs livelihood.

Not quite a demand, to put that into context the associations have been passed the mantle by the DSA to develop the voluntary CPD first, that would seem quite a pointless task and an extensive amount of work if a compulsory scheme were not to follow hence the request.

Compulsory CPD will not threaten an ADIs livelyhood unless they refuse to participate.

There's only one reason why they want it in quickly.  It's to make money from ADIs.

Can you provide evidence of this bold sweeping statement  - "THEY" - seems to include all who attend these meetings including the group you support. The Federation courses are most definitely at cost.



Iggy


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