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#1 15-11-06 10:29:14

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DRAFT CPD CONTENT

The yellow section is prescriptive (compulsory) i.e. ADIs must complete at least 14 hours on these topics.
The green section is elective (voluntary) which ADIs can select from, although you still need to complete at least 14 hours over a  4 year period.

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#2 15-11-06 20:19:36

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#3 16-11-06 20:00:07

Michael (in Croydon)
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Re: DRAFT CPD CONTENT

Thank you Vanda
I'm very pleased to see Coaching listed (compulsory)


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#4 16-11-06 22:17:16

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Re: DRAFT CPD CONTENT

Most of that mirrors the Diploma in driving instution and the rest could be done with Cardington or DIAmond advance/special test

P.S Thanks Vandadi


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#5 16-11-06 23:58:50

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Re: DRAFT CPD CONTENT

I think that the compulsory side of CPD is just a money making racket. I smells of part 3 re-qualification if you ask me. But, there are elements in the voluntary side of the proposal that have very good potential

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#6 18-11-06 10:55:39

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The full documents are now on the DIDU forum for downloading.

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#7 19-11-06 14:19:46

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Overall I would be happier with CPD than check testing but NOT ALONG WITH check testing. I have taken a few courses in improving my abilities since qualifying and found them all worthwile and enjoyable.

CPD should be a tool to help ADIs improve and stay on top of the game, not threaten their livelyhood at the whim of an SE in the way that the current check test does.

Proposals seem to be reasonable, but one of my biggest concerns is who will be the providers? DSA may be unacceptable but would be infinitely better than having to go to our competitors in the shape of BSM or AA, Acclaim and the likes.

Scary thought.


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#8 19-11-06 14:48:27

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Re: DRAFT CPD CONTENT

I think that the compulsory side of CPD is just a money making racket.

Don’t worry Kjs
I will be applying to be a CPD provider. And you will be pleased to know that I also intend to make many of the courses free of charge with others run at cost only.

I guess that most providers will charge, which is fare enough we all need to make a living, But it would be sad to see the likes of TIC make money from CPD

Michael


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#9 19-11-06 15:11:46

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Re: DRAFT CPD CONTENT

It would be nice to see one or two other ORDIT trainers like myself offering very low cost or even free CPD training
I'm hoping that the likes of the TIC will not get a look in my area, as they only want the money.
I believe that the CPD will have benefits to the industry and don't want to see it turn into a money making machine.

Michael big_smile


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#10 19-11-06 15:29:36

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Re: DRAFT CPD CONTENT

I will be applying to be a CPD provider. And you will be pleased to know that I also intend to make many of the courses free of charge with others run at cost only.


Michael

You are going to be a buzy little bee aren't you Michael?  wink big_smile

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#11 19-11-06 15:34:13

Michael (in Croydon)
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Re: DRAFT CPD CONTENT

Hi vanda
I was going to ask you to help! :evil:
xx


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#12 19-11-06 15:36:48

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Re: DRAFT CPD CONTENT

Your wish is my command  big_smile

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#13 19-11-06 18:14:34

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Re: DRAFT CPD CONTENT

I think that the compulsory side of CPD is just a money making racket.

Don’t worry Kjs
I will be applying to be a CPD provider. And you will be pleased to know that I also intend to make many of the courses free of charge with others run at cost only.


Michael

Nice one michael. Wish you luck in your application

kjs

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#14 20-11-06 18:01:50

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Re: DRAFT CPD CONTENT

Free courses? how will you make a living and won't that be the same as many instructors who are undercutting and have caused many other instructors to go too the wall beacause of the price war?


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#15 20-11-06 20:14:27

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Re: DRAFT CPD CONTENT

Hi Marconi
I already make a living!
In just the Croydon area alone there are 72 instructors give or take
And only one ORDIT instructor, that’s me.
So who am I under cutting?
Not all of the courses will be free, some I will have to cover my costs.
I already have the facilities,
And running a group once in a wile is not going to brake the bank
I would rather offer free training to these instructors, many of them are my friends and I have know for years, than see the likes of TIC trying to rip them off,
Michael big_smile


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#16 24-11-06 05:56:49

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Re: DRAFT CPD CONTENT

I dont see charging for a service as ripping people off.

We live in a world where you pay for a service.

Nothing is free.

We all payed for training in the first place was that being ripped off.

Pupils pay us for our expertise. Is that being ripped off.

If you have a knowledge someone else doesnt. Charge for it. No one says it has to be extortion.

Just my own view. big_smile


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#17 24-11-06 14:47:29

Michael (in Croydon)
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Re: DRAFT CPD CONTENT

Hi Capitainhook

We all payed for training in the first place was that being ripped off.

Thats not true,
Paying to be trained is a new thing, only started  about 10 years ago, its only the new boys who paid!  I along with most instructors of the time got all my training for free! Didn't even pay for the gas.
I don't see charging for a service as ripping off either, but the TIC has a reputation of selling courses to people who have very little chance of passing! I,ve seen them coming to my evening workshop, full of the idea that they can easily become an instructor and will be earning £30k plus car etc etc, when these guys can hardly speak English and have virtually no interpersonal skills, but they did have £3k.


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#18 24-11-06 14:56:56

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Re: DRAFT CPD CONTENT

I,ve seen them coming to my evening workshop, full of the idea that they can easily become an instructor and will be earning £30k plus car etc etc, when these guys can hardly speak English and have virtually no interpersonal skills, but they did have £3k.

Sadly, some of these guys HAVE already paid their £3k yet come to the free workshops for top-up training as TIC cannot fit them in within a reasonable time.

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#19 24-11-06 15:00:34

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Re: DRAFT CPD CONTENT

yes i agree with you Michael, thats why i think the dsa entrance exam would be good. But we were talking about cpd and in order to do cpd you already have to be an instructor. So selling up to them isnt so bad.

And with reference to you saying didnt have to pay 10 years ago-well you may have been lucky then but I worked in a bsm office when i was 18 and thats 18 years ago and i was quite happily takinh 1200 from pdi's for training even then.

Not saying your wrong just maybe got your time frame a bit out. big_smile


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#20 24-11-06 15:00:54

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Can you tell a differently abled body person they are not suitable?
Can you decide if a hearing challenged person is not suitable?
Can you tell an Asian they are not suitable?
or someone with a low IQ?

All people rom all walks of life can become an ADI and the types that make it sometimes surprise me as do the types that fail. It is not thier background but the effort they and the trainer put in to it that count and that can not be always found out at the concept. We all know there are many who don't make it simply because they just do not put in the effort or just don't bother to turn up just like the learners no different and never will be. Pity


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#21 24-11-06 15:13:42

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Good point Marconi-but maybe if they are not suitable at first try having gone through a test of suitability they might endeavour to succeed in future.

Im sure there can be a fair way of giving a test of apptitude, if only the dsa try hard enough.

I dont think it shouild be based so much on wether someone cant speak very good english-but having said that the part 3 is already aimed at delivering a test of ones versatility and how articulate they are as well as their level of knowledge in subjects.

It has to be said some people it would be quite obvious from the start would not be suitable for embarking on this career. So at the outset when someone begins their road to being an adi-of course they wouldnt be as articulate as when going on a part 3 test and im sure this would be taken into account when the test is devised. As indeed it is when on part 3 we are not judged as being 100% perfect adi's but an acceptable level upon entry to the register. With the foresight we will almost certainly get better. But those who fail persistently have proven they find it hard to pass-so it could be with this test, and those that endeavour will.

Therefore if the test is singling them out it is designed to stop them waisting their time and money. But if they endeavour and prove their worth it they then stand more chance of passing as an adi.

One thing that does worry me though is if this is the case does this mean there will be more adi's eventually coz the pass rate will go up. Or will it actually be a way of the dsa making money over the training establishments-because of the mythical QUOTAS.

All good fun-hope my rantings are seen for what they are a view of possibilities. big_smile


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#22 24-11-06 15:24:07

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As I remember it the AA set an apptitude test for potential trainee instructors BUT if they fail they can not legally refuse them the course IF the person still wants to do it, something about human rights. All a test can do is point potential instructors towards thier weaknesses in their chosen career.


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#23 24-11-06 15:53:50

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Well that would make sense marconi.But if the dsa make up an exam of course it can be upheld.

Its not against our human rights when we might fail one of the qualifying exams-is it. Its a governemt exam-no recriminations. So therefore if the dsa make it law all the training organisations will have to follow suit-where as at the moment it isnt mandatory.

we all have to pass part 1 to go onto part 2 and so on. So if they made it a 4 part test with the first being an apptitude test it would hold the same water. the only thing they cant do is actually say you are asian you cant do it, or you are a downs syndrome or whatever. That would be discrimination.


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#24 24-11-06 16:43:56

Michael (in Croydon)
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Re: DRAFT CPD CONTENT

Hi capitainhook
Yes you are right BSM to my knowledge have always charged for training, I was referring to most of the smaller schools.

I also agree that having an aptitude test will only make it into a four part exam! there is no guarantee that if you pass the aptitude part that you will make a good instructor! Otherwise why bother with the rest of the tests?

As for the CPD how much would you expect to pay???


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#25 24-11-06 17:03:24

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Re: DRAFT CPD CONTENT

Hi
re the aptitude test.

I heard from TW the other day that it is not going to be a pass, or, fail and go no further, situation.
People who fail will be advised as to their unsuitability but will bne allowed to get on to the treadmill.

The subject came up when I asked how they were going to stop the American system of, courses to pass Aptitude Tests.

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