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#1 11-09-14 11:04:39

VandADI
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Latest official DVSA statistics published

http://content.govdelivery.com/accounts … ins/ced812

"They cover the period from 1 April to 30 June and provide the first information about the standards check (introduced on 7 April 2014).

Please note that the statistics are for the reporting period as a whole so they also include the old check test taken between 1 and 6 April.

The key points of the period between 7 April and 30 June are:

    2,520 standards checks carried out
    pass rate was 81%
    24% of ADIs achieved Grade A, 57% achieved Grade B

Failure rate explained

The percentage of ADIs failing the standards check (19%) is slightly higher than for the check test (14%). However, this figure includes those who may have previously achieved an ‘educational’ grade.

Over half of the failures were automatic fails because the ADI scored less than 8 marks in the risk management section.

We would expect the failure rate to reduce as ADIs become more familiar with the Standards."

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#2 11-09-14 14:20:27

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Re: Latest official DVSA statistics published

These figures are meaningless, and an attempt by DVSA to cover up the truth that the new standards check is in trouble.   The fail rate for the old checktest was not anywhere near the 14% quoted.  An educational was not a fail, only a grade 2 or 1 was a fail.

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#3 11-09-14 15:20:25

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Re: Latest official DVSA statistics published

Roadmaster wrote:

These figures are meaningless, and an attempt by DVSA to cover up the truth that the new standards check is in trouble.   The fail rate for the old checktest was not anywhere near the 14% quoted.  An educational was not a fail, only a grade 2 or 1 was a fail.

Was a grade 3 not also a fail?

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#4 11-09-14 15:27:50

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Re: Latest official DVSA statistics published

Sory Martin, yes of course it was.

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#5 11-09-14 19:12:13

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Re: Latest official DVSA statistics published

Hi

martin Williams wrote:
Roadmaster wrote:

These figures are meaningless, and an attempt by DVSA to cover up the truth that the new standards check is in trouble.   The fail rate for the old checktest was not anywhere near the 14% quoted.  An educational was not a fail, only a grade 2 or 1 was a fail.

Was a grade 3 not also a fail?

But an educational was regarded as neither a fail nor a graded pass, I believe the actual fail rate was around 0.2%

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#6 11-09-14 19:54:49

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Re: Latest official DVSA statistics published

Hi
A bit(lot)deflating for a newly qualified instructor to FAIL  their standards test.
An educational grade was not a surprise to most but a FAIL is demoralising.
Its all cr@p
Peter


Dont press that,oh @@##!

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#7 12-09-14 19:41:02

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Re: Latest official DVSA statistics published

I get the 'it's more flexible than the old CT' line, but it sounds like it has actually become even more of a box ticking exercise! Damn right you'd better mention .... and .... and .... or they will score you low.  Not because you'd do this on every lesson, or even if it's appropriate for the actual client, but you'd better mention it all cos it's a SC.
As for "risk management" they have really bought into the Smart Driving concept, but unfortunately, I'm not convinced my clients are actually confused about "risk" or what their role is or where the responsibility for stuff lies.
They certainly aren't going to get a "normal" lesson from me!  cool


"I swear I found the key to the universe in the engine of an old parked car"

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#8 13-09-14 09:14:02

Triplea35
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Re: Latest official DVSA statistics published

Roadmaster wrote:

These figures are meaningless, and an attempt by DVSA to cover up the truth that the new standards check is in trouble.   The fail rate for the old checktest was not anywhere near the 14% quoted.  An educational was not a fail, only a grade 2 or 1 was a fail.

Would like to know why you think the standards check is in trouble?

How do you know the failure rate for the old check test was not 14%? The much smaller percentage usually referred to related to those who failed all three attempts.

The fail rate has gone to 19% from 14%. It includes what were previously 'Educationals' and has just been introduced so many will have gone to it ill prepared. The DVSA expect the pass rate to improve and I personally can't see why it shouldn't.

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#9 13-09-14 10:25:33

Roadmaster
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Re: Latest official DVSA statistics published

Triplea35 wrote:
Roadmaster wrote:

These figures are meaningless, and an attempt by DVSA to cover up the truth that the new standards check is in trouble.   The fail rate for the old checktest was not anywhere near the 14% quoted.  An educational was not a fail, only a grade 2 or 1 was a fail.

Would like to know why you think the standards check is in trouble?

How do you know the failure rate for the old check test was not 14%? The much smaller percentage usually referred to related to those who failed all three attempts.

The fail rate has gone to 19% from 14%. It includes what were previously 'Educationals' and has just been introduced so many will have gone to it ill prepared. The DVSA expect the pass rate to improve and I personally can't see why it shouldn't.

The checktest fail rate was not 14%, the correct figure which was much lower than 14% was given in a FOI request but I cannot find it at present.  I think pegasus's estimate above was nearer.      Educationals were not counted as a fail, and were therefore not included in the fail figures for the old system.

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#10 14-09-14 20:00:57

Triplea35
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Re: Latest official DVSA statistics published

Roadmaster wrote:
Triplea35 wrote:
Roadmaster wrote:

These figures are meaningless, and an attempt by DVSA to cover up the truth that the new standards check is in trouble.   The fail rate for the old checktest was not anywhere near the 14% quoted.  An educational was not a fail, only a grade 2 or 1 was a fail.

Would like to know why you think the standards check is in trouble?

How do you know the failure rate for the old check test was not 14%? The much smaller percentage usually referred to related to those who failed all three attempts.

The fail rate has gone to 19% from 14%. It includes what were previously 'Educationals' and has just been introduced so many will have gone to it ill prepared. The DVSA expect the pass rate to improve and I personally can't see why it shouldn't.

The checktest fail rate was not 14%, the correct figure which was much lower than 14% was given in a FOI request but I cannot find it at present.  I think pegasus's estimate above was nearer.      Educationals were not counted as a fail, and were therefore not included in the fail figures for the old system.

Unfortunate you cannot find it Roadmaster as would be interesting to see! I cannot find it in any recent FOI releases.

Pegasus' quoted figure of .2% is not the fail rate for the check test. I saw this figure on statistics as the total of ADI's with a Grade 2 or 3 on their most recent check test expressed as a percentage of ALL ADI's on the register.

Look at the published figures ie, In Dec 2013 the DVSA conducted 1272 check tests. In that same month there were 24 ADI's with a Grade 2 and 230 with a Grade 3 on the register.

Hardly suggests a fail rate of just 1 in 500(.2%) check tests.

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#11 15-09-14 06:03:30

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Re: Latest official DVSA statistics published

The annual figures for 2012 show a less than 10% fail rate for the checktest.  I can't find the 2013 ones.

Check test grade    Number awarded
2    278
3    1,495
4    9,745
5    4,103
6    803
E    476
Total    16,900

So at 19%  the SC fail rate is currently running at almost double the old system

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#12 15-09-14 06:08:18

MGM
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From: Surrey
Registered: 24-10-11
Posts: 861

Re: Latest official DVSA statistics published

Roadmaster wrote:

The annual figures for 2012 show a less than 10% fail rate for the checktest.  I can't find the 2013 ones.

Check test grade    Number awarded
2    278
3    1,495
4    9,745
5    4,103
6    803
E    476
Total    16,900

So at 19%  the SC fail rate is currently running at almost double the old system


If a fail was grades 2, 3 or E, then the total was 2,249, which is 13.3%

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#13 15-09-14 06:24:34

Roadmaster
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Posts: 5,670

Re: Latest official DVSA statistics published

Educationals were not classed as a fail in the old system, that's why they were listed seperately.  Educationals were only awarded if a checktest was carried out within 12 months (I think) of the instructor gaining their licence.

Effectively an educational was ungraded.
https://www.gov.uk/adi-standards-check/ … est-grades

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#14 15-09-14 09:16:14

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Re: Latest official DVSA statistics published

Hi RM

1773 fails out of 16900 tests is actually 10.49%, it could be argued that as E's are not failures they do not count as CT's either. so if you take them out of the equation it is 1773 fails out of 16424 which is 10.8%

% corrected to 2 places of decimals

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#15 15-09-14 10:49:44

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Re: Latest official DVSA statistics published

There's no argument,  there were officially actually seven levels of competance or grades in the old checktest, as shown in the link I posted above,  grades 1 to 6 and E, and they certainly were counted as a checktest, and were recorded on the ADIs IRDT.

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#16 15-09-14 19:32:50

MGM
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Registered: 24-10-11
Posts: 861

Re: Latest official DVSA statistics published

Roadmaster wrote:

There's no argument,  there were officially actually seven levels of competance or grades in the old checktest, as shown in the link I posted above,  grades 1 to 6 and E, and they certainly were counted as a checktest, and were recorded on the ADIs IRDT.

What's an IRDT? Do I have one? Should I be pleased or worried?

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#17 15-09-14 20:08:13

Roadmaster
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Posts: 5,670

Re: Latest official DVSA statistics published

Integrated register of driver trainers.  It's your online personal file where DVSA store all the information it has about you, including all your checktests,  Pass Plus records, and loads more.    You can change your address and other personal details on there, and renew your ADI licence.

It's also the place to give DVSA your permission or otherwise to pass on your details (this is why some ADIs receive lots of junk advertising)  and also whether or not you want to be on the Find Your Nearest site.

Here is the sign on page  https://dsa.dft.gov.uk/DSAWeb/DSA.porta … nfls=false

To register send  email to  - IRDT@dsa.gsi.gov.uk   Stating your full name and PRN(personnel  Reference number)

Here is what one of the pages looks like  irdt.jpg
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