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#1 24-07-14 12:50:00

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HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

My Honourable Friend, the Parliamentary Under Secretary of State for Transport, (Claire Perry), has today (24 July 2014) announced that the government is proposing, following a public consultation, to increase the national speed limit for heavy goods vehicles of more than 7.5 tonnes on single carriageways from 40 mph to 50 mph.

This change will be implemented via a change in the law to be put to Parliament during the next few months, with implementation scheduled for early 2015. The existing 40 mph limit continues to apply until the change has been put into effect. The amended speed limit will cover single carriageway roads outside built up areas in England and Wales, unless specific lower local speed limits are in effect

There is a further consultation to increase the speed on dual carriageways.

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#2 24-07-14 13:36:16

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Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

Hi
This means that on the odd occasion you come up behind someone driving an LGV at the limit on an SC then it will become harder to find a suitable overtaking place, because the differential will now be 10mph instead of the 20mph  it currently is.

Of course for the majority of them that are driven on their limiters anyway it won't make any difference to the situation as currently experienced with the exception that they will no longer run the risk of a speeding ticket. (using the 10%+3 practice)

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#3 24-07-14 14:27:27

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Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

I hope they will  get rid of the anomaly where if I drive my van on the 2 carriageway M3
it can go 70. but when I move onto the A34 a much better DC road I can only do 60 !!"!


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#4 24-07-14 20:25:52

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Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

I can live with 50 as progress on a NSL. But getting stuck behind an HGV at 40 with no prospect of an overtake is a pain in the backside.
This change has to be for the better.

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#5 25-07-14 09:49:36

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Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

This will be a welcome change to the current situation, most LGV drivers are having to keep to 40 mph due to GPS tracking etc, but we all know the frustration this creates on good single carriageways which often leads to misjudged overtaking and the inevitable head on collision

I live in Lincolnshire and there are'nt any motorways and very few dual carriageways this change gets my vote

Gordon  big_smile


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#6 25-07-14 14:30:51

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Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

Is this law only changing in England and Wales?

Personally I think it is ridiculous that a fully laden 44 tonne articulated lorry should be travelling down a single carriageway faster than 40mph. Accident waiting to happen.

Impatient drives who overtake when it is not safe should simply get a life ban from driving, as clearly they are not genetically programmed to make driving decisions.


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#7 25-07-14 22:11:52

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Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways


Be Fear-less, go GEAR-LESS!

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#8 25-07-14 23:11:51

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Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

AUTAX wrote:

Autax,
I'm with you on most things, but how does this relate to increasing the speed limit for 7.5T+  ?

Is this a speed related fatality caused by an HGV exceeding a speed limit?

As always, an honest question.

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#9 26-07-14 06:14:49

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Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

Serious question, what is the stopping distance for a 20 ton truck at 50mph compared to a car?

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#10 26-07-14 08:40:58

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Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

Don't know if this will help.

http://www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/stopping.htm

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#11 26-07-14 10:06:18

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Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

Sadly that accident was only a few minutes from me and a road I take everyday and the garage is where I fill up.

I have no idea how it happened to be head-on. Side swiped coming out of garage etc. is common.
Many accidents there as it is NSL at the point of impact as they turn out of the garage.

Illness or Loss of concentration? Very sad, but probably not speed related. 
Swerving to avoid someone coming out of garage?
Believing it to be d/c . ?

I await the report. Sometimes they get published in the paper.
One I remember listed all the accidents involving death in Dorset and out of 27 deaths only one was speed caused.
(Young woman racing off in Christchurch).

Last edited by johnp (26-07-14 10:14:28)


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#12 26-07-14 10:14:06

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Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

I’ve always found this to be an informative website although it would be better if the figures shown are also shown to be tried and tested for instance by TRL
The author makes two statements;

The average reaction time from seeing an emergency situation to actually placing your foot on the brake pedal is 0.7 seconds

and

A vehicle following another needs more room to get stopped because it takes about two seconds longer for the person following to get his foot off of the accelerator and onto the brake

Do they read the same to you?

I don’t think braking to a stop is as simple as 60 – 0 in 10mph stages. There is a complicated (at least to me) formula for deceleration and unless all parameters are known it’s nigh on impossible to work out. The main one being ‘time’ and in particular Reaction Time. In real life I would double reaction time for most drivers.

If you ever get the chance, go on a brake simulator – or worse, watch other people on one. Scary!

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#13 26-07-14 10:15:13

MGM
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Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

DonT wrote:

Don't know if this will help.

http://www.ukspeedtraps.co.uk/stopping.htm

I'm not entirely sure I follow that guy's calculations, but some of them at least seem very strange.

His stopping distances are much less than those in the HC, e.g. at 20 mph he gives 14 feet. The HC says 40: by his own figure of 0.7 seconds, the thinking sidtance alone is 20 feet.

He also seems confused about safe following distance, quoting the normal 2 seconds PLUS stopping distance. That gives a following distance at 70 mph of about 156 metres. Try that on the M25!

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#14 26-07-14 10:26:24

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Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

The full report gives the main reasons for the increase.
85% of HGV's already exceed the 40mph limit with no noticeable rise in collisions.
There is relatively low enforcement by police of the 40mph law.
Those that remain within the law become financially disadvantaged as it isn't a level playing field.
It brings us in line with other EU countries.
The 40mph law has been on statute since the 1950's and vehicle technology has improved dramatically.
Bringing it up to 50 removes all HGV drivers from criminality (their words). (As they are restricted to 56 and enforcement starts at 57, they'd only get caught on overrun or a faulty speed limiter)

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#15 26-07-14 11:11:24

MGM
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Registered: 24-10-11
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Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

trunkmonkey wrote:

Bringing it up to 50 removes all HGV drivers from criminality (their words). (As they are restricted to 56 and enforcement starts at 57, they'd only get caught on overrun or a faulty speed limiter)

Interesting choice of words. So, is a burglar who doesn't get caught no longer a criminal?

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#16 26-07-14 12:55:47

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Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

Hi
I know we don't have details of speed or cause of the crash in the link Autax gave us, but what can be stated is that that truck was not subject to any 40mph limit unless the road has that as a signed limit, on Street View it is shown as a National BUT that could well have been changed since the camera car went through

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#17 26-07-14 14:31:26

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Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

No it is still national.

I do wonder if it should be as you have the garage and the cafe just after the 40mph roundabout.


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#18 26-07-14 17:00:38

trunkmonkey
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Posts: 747

Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

MGM wrote:
trunkmonkey wrote:

Bringing it up to 50 removes all HGV drivers from criminality (their words). (As they are restricted to 56 and enforcement starts at 57, they'd only get caught on overrun or a faulty speed limiter)

Interesting choice of words. So, is a burglar who doesn't get caught no longer a criminal?

And when you look at the vast amount of motorists who speed, are they also criminals?

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#19 26-07-14 18:25:45

MGM
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From: Surrey
Registered: 24-10-11
Posts: 861

Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

trunkmonkey wrote:
MGM wrote:
trunkmonkey wrote:

Bringing it up to 50 removes all HGV drivers from criminality (their words). (As they are restricted to 56 and enforcement starts at 57, they'd only get caught on overrun or a faulty speed limiter)

Interesting choice of words. So, is a burglar who doesn't get caught no longer a criminal?

And when you look at the vast amount of motorists who speed, are they also criminals?

Yes, but in many cases not convicted wink

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#20 28-07-14 12:12:46

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Registered: 05-02-06
Posts: 1,656

Re: HGV speed limit to be raised on single carriageways

Clearly it is socially acceptable to break some laws.

pirate dvd's
downloading music
uploading music
exceeding speed limits
eating fruit in a supermarket
eating pick and mix sweets (that is why woolworths went bust!  tongue  )


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