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#1 03-06-14 15:01:53

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Fined for breaking traffic laws when moving for ambulance

The College of Paramedics said patients' lives could be put at risk, because some drivers are not moving out of the way for ambulances.

Two 5 live listeners said they’ve received fines, which they've unsuccessfully appealed, for breaking traffic laws when moving for ambulances.

"You are at risk of being fined and yes you can appeal" said Peter Rodger, chief examiner of driving standards at the Institute of Advanced Motorists.

“The standard advice that’s given is that you can carry on and comply with the law and let the emergency vehicle work around using whatever exemptions it has available to it; the ethical answer may sometimes be different," said Mr Rodger.

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#2 03-06-14 19:13:52

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Re: Fined for breaking traffic laws when moving for ambulance

There's always a way to make room, and not panic to make room for the emergency service to get through. I think people don't understand that fact, but think it's ok to drive across the red light or into a bus lane.


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#3 03-06-14 19:23:47

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Re: Fined for breaking traffic laws when moving for ambulance

No driver, unless they accept it, has ever been prosecuted for SAFELY, but technically illegally, moving out of the way for a blue lighter


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#4 03-06-14 20:01:33

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Re: Fined for breaking traffic laws when moving for ambulance

I'd certainly dispute that (but can't prove it :-( ).

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#5 03-06-14 20:10:48

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Re: Fined for breaking traffic laws when moving for ambulance

martin_t wrote:

I'd certainly dispute that (but can't prove it :-( ).


Plenty of evidence of prosecutions on the internet. If you get flashed at a red light or bus lane, then saying you were moving out of the way of an emergency vehicle is not an acceptable defence.

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#6 03-06-14 22:32:09

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Re: Fined for breaking traffic laws when moving for ambulance

When Emergency vehicle approaches and can not get through safely they should not be forcing other road users to break the law,  they have to turn off there sirens but keep the blue lights on and not pressure other motorists to take drastic measure IE not endangering themselves or other road uses. They are already attending one accident without causing any others  on the way. Common sense really.

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#7 04-06-14 06:59:39

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Re: Fined for breaking traffic laws when moving for ambulance

Mentor wrote:
martin_t wrote:

I'd certainly dispute that (but can't prove it :-( ).


Plenty of evidence of prosecutions on the internet. If you get flashed at a red light or bus lane, then saying you were moving out of the way of an emergency vehicle is not an acceptable defence.

Yes it is IF DONE SAFELY - its not a legal defence but a moral one and the courts/cps recognise it

There are countless instances where the driver has had any intended prosecution made void - many have been in the newspapers


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#8 04-06-14 07:03:36

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Re: Fined for breaking traffic laws when moving for ambulance

"Common sense really."
Generally, I agree but CS also makes it abundantly clear that moving across the stop line into the mouth of the junction, as it were, often is has no safety consequence whatsoever.  It's just some paint on the road and they are often quite well set back from the actual meeting point of any traffic.  Which is why drivers do feel it is 'stupid' to observe the letter of the law and hold up an ambo who may be off to try and save someone's life.

I also agree that it's a very easy excuse to reach for if you get flashed!  Maybe emergency vehicles should have CCTV on board so proof might be found.
Except in absolute city centres and daft places like London, then there is usually room for em vehicles to go round Qs of traffic.
Good awareness also helps as I've been able to stop short of the stop line and bollards on occasion, thus leaving plenty of space for the ambo to go left of the bollard without me having to move.

The College of Paramedics need to think clearly about what they are saying, and the whole thing has a touch of manufactured news about it.
And why are IAM the only driving experts the media ever turn to?   cool


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#9 04-06-14 15:19:44

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Re: Fined for breaking traffic laws when moving for ambulance


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