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#1 02-05-14 11:46:01

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Parking mad on TV with ADI

Did anyone else se that ADI taking pupil to test get their car taken off them?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b0 … Episode_3/


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#2 02-05-14 13:25:47

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

Yes what a plonker.

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#3 02-05-14 15:51:28

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

Yes, it doesn't reflect well on ADIs or the DSA. He should lose his ADI registration.

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#4 02-05-14 18:03:09

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

How does it reflect badly on the Dsa ?hardly down to them the behaviour of this idiot.

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#5 02-05-14 18:49:51

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

mspl wrote:

How does it reflect badly on the Dsa ?hardly down to them the behaviour of this idiot.


Doesn't reflect badly on me either.

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#6 02-05-14 19:32:02

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

I think it reflects badly on the selection and monitoring of ADIs.
How did he manage to get pupils and how did he manage to keep his licence?
Attitude to client was appalling or was that just from embarrassment?
Obviously not a one off situation or he would not have been stopped in the first place.


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#7 02-05-14 19:40:39

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

It was the first time he had been pulled and checked, so beforehand there was nothing for DVSA to monitor.   Surprised he only got a caution for the knife, but that should now be notified to DVSA, who can take action to remove him.

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#8 02-05-14 20:54:50

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

We should remember these programs are edited for effect and we did not see everything that happened and hear everything that was said. While the ADI did not come across well in the program, I don't think a lynch mob is called for. The pupil set no great example either and if she was one of mine I would have been happy to lose her. As for the knife, he was a bit of a plonker to remove it from the car but perhaps he needs it to peel oranges for his lunch, who knows? Personally I think it is outrageous for the Police to be associated with the bailiffs and to be helping them recover a civil debt. The Bailiffs fees were verging on demanding money with menaces.

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#9 02-05-14 21:13:40

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

£1500 in fines and charges, carrying a knife ! It reflects badly on ADIs because many members of the public will have seen the film. It reflects badly on the DSA because people with no regard for the law shouldn't be instructors.

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#10 03-05-14 06:04:20

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

sofasurfer wrote:

£1500 in fines and charges, carrying a knife ! It reflects badly on ADIs because many members of the public will have seen the film. It reflects badly on the DSA because people with no regard for the law shouldn't be instructors.

Perhaps DVSA should employ psychics so that it can get rid of bad ADIs before they actually do anything wrong?

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#11 03-05-14 06:29:18

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

Mentor wrote:

We should remember these programs are edited for effect and we did not see everything that happened and hear everything that was said. While the ADI did not come across well in the program, I don't think a lynch mob is called for. The pupil set no great example either and if she was one of mine I would have been happy to lose her. As for the knife, he was a bit of a plonker to remove it from the car but perhaps he needs it to peel oranges for his lunch, who knows? Personally I think it is outrageous for the Police to be associated with the bailiffs and to be helping them recover a civil debt. The Bailiffs fees were verging on demanding money with menaces.


Your kidding right?

People commit offences.

People leagally owe money, they are given opportunity to pay, reminders, home visits, but still,refuse to,pay up.

What should we do, ignore them?

Who needs a knife to peel oranges?, especially one that size.

I didn't see much wrong with the pupil, she was furious she had lost her test, quite right too.

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#12 03-05-14 07:08:46

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

The ADI displayed the sort of unprofessional, sloppy, don't give a toss attitude that brings the profession into disrepute. Ok he may not represent you or I, but the fact is it makes clients think about what sort of people ADI's are or can be!
He parked somewhere illegally, he didn't pay the fine, he let his pupil down on test day! Looking in from the outside it doesn 't look good at all.

Its an interesting fact that most of the quality ADI's that I know have had positions of responsibility or professional careers prior to being ADI's. They have a little more about them than just DSA ADI car after their name, ie they have a professional attitude.

I would also add that most contributors on here have something more about them than just the basic qualification, judging by the quality of the posts, and the fact that people on here are either trying to improve their own knowledge or that of their peers and actually take the time to do it!

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#13 03-05-14 07:52:55

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

Our SE s or whatever they are called should be our Line Managers.
Ongoing professional 'management'.

They should have some idea about us and what we do and how we conduct our work.
The SC or CT is pointless as proved here.

The whole training and 'supervision' needs a radical change to turn it into a profession.  Not a new tick sheet.


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#14 03-05-14 07:53:32

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

The ADI was an idiot for allowing the situation to escalate never mind not paying the fine in the first place but I understood Bailiffs could not take the car if it was needed for his job, is that not right? I don't blame the girl for her reaction, stressful enough on way to test without that happening.


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#15 03-05-14 08:56:05

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

johnp wrote:

Our SE s or whatever they are called should be our Line Managers.
Ongoing professional 'management'.

They should have some idea about us and what we do and how we conduct our work.
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Nonsense.  I am self employed, I am my own boss.  If I wanted to be controlled by someone else I would get an employed job.

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#16 03-05-14 11:55:20

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

It is not YOU being controlled. It is Standards of Driving Instruction being monitored.
Quite different.

I also would not want anyone to supervise my work, or tell me how to do it,
but I would welcome the opportunity to have support from
a fellow professional who knew about my work. Especially when I was new as an ADI.
I would also welcome knowing other ADIs were also monitored.
Not by statistics but by knowing them and their work.

The throwing ADIs to the mercy of the business as soon as they pass part 3 is absurd and leads to many
of the problems we have. The DSA does not do the job we pay them for.
I only wish they did. I hate to see my fees wasted.

We give more support on these forums than any SE has ever given or actually knows how / what to give.
I wonder how many are invited for an informal chat to see how they are getting on.

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#17 03-05-14 12:01:32

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

CantThinkofaName wrote:

The ADI was an idiot for allowing the situation to escalate never mind not paying the fine in the first place but I understood Bailiffs could not take the car if it was needed for his job, is that not right? I don't blame the girl for her reaction, stressful enough on way to test without that happening.

I think I also read somwhere that they can not take the tools of trade, they may have goofed up here, although the instructor owed fines and was carrying a knife for whatever reason, he probably has never had his car confiscated on the way to a test before, and therefore will not under the shock and obvious pressure (police, bailiffs, a TV camera crew and an understandably angry pupil) have an imideate procedure in mind for dealing with such an event.

With hindsight he may be able to look into this and if they were wrong to take the vehicle, they should compensate the instructor and pupil.

Maz.

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#18 03-05-14 13:43:47

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

johnp wrote:

It is not YOU being controlled. It is Standards of Driving Instruction being monitored.
Quite different.

John P wrote:

They should have some idea about us and what we do and how we conduct our work.

If that's not being controlled I don't know what is.   

Every ADI has their own way of working towards the same result.  How that is accieved should not matter.    No one way is right or wrong, so to suggest someone who may never have done the job themselves but have different ideas,  can improve what we do is silly.


I think I also read somwhere that they can not take the tools of trade, they may have goofed up here, although the instructor owed fines and was carrying a knife for whatever reason, he probably has never had his car confiscated on the way to a test before, and therefore will not under the shock and obvious pressure (police, bailiffs, a TV camera crew and an understandably angry pupil) have an imideate procedure in mind for dealing with such an event.

The bailiffs know the rules, and it's obvious that a signed driving school car is a tool of the trade, so either they were acting illegally or they knew something that wasn't mentioned on camera.     But in any case, if they say they are going to seize your car there isn't much you could do about it, because you would get arrested for obstruction etc.

New national standards for bailiffs have been introduced last month.   It states:   

Enforcement agents must act within the law at all times, including all legislation and observe all health and safety requirements in carrying out enforcement. They must maintain strict client confidentiality and comply with Data Protection legislation

Enforcement agents must not act in a way likely to be publicly embarrassing to the debtor, either deliberately or negligently (that is to say through lack of care)

Clearly that hasn't happened in this case, where maximum embarassment to the ADI would appear to be in order.

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#19 03-05-14 15:02:25

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

May well be that the rules of bailiff enforcement of civil debt are different for,rules in collecting for a PCN which is underpinned by legislation. Tools of trade rules may well not apply.

As for embarrassment, the bailiffs didn't do,anything, there was a camera crew there, it was a public place, they are not under the control,of the bailiffs.

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#20 03-05-14 16:07:05

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

kaf wrote:

As for embarrassment, the bailiffs didn't do,anything, there was a camera crew there, it was a public place, they are not under the control,of the bailiffs.

We don't know the circumstances, but unless the ADI gave his permission then the bailiffs were in breach of data protection by announcing details of the ADIs debts to the camera, according to the ns for bailiffs.
Not that I'm defending the ADI, who it would appear has been a very naughty boy.

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#21 03-05-14 16:21:52

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

Bailiffs cannot seize Motability vehicles, leased vehicles, vehicles on Hire Purchase agreements, plated taxis, driving school cars and utility vehicles used in your line or work.

The bailiffs in this scenario acted outwith their powers and with no regard for the reputation of the ADI. They are the criminals in this scenario and should be sued for damages. A complaint to the Professional Standards section of the participating Police authority would not be out of order either as they were clearly culpable in aiding the bailiffs to execute an illegal act.

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#22 03-05-14 17:11:42

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

There are suddenly a lot of legal,experts here.

Without knowing what agreements were in place etc.  what consents were sought or given, people are being a bit previous with condemning the bailiffs and police.

I'm sure anybody with legal redress will take the appropriate action.

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#23 03-05-14 19:20:11

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

Roadmaster.

"I also would not want anyone to supervise my work, or tell me how to do it,
but I would welcome the opportunity to have support from
a fellow professional who knew about my work. Especially when I was new as an ADI."


What I wrote was totally different to what you stated which was 'silly' to use your wording.

"Every ADI has their own way of working towards the same result.  How that is accieved should not matter.    No one way is right or wrong, so to suggest someone who may never have done the job themselves but have different ideas,  can improve what we do is silly."


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#24 06-05-14 05:32:34

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

Having been arrested he then could no longer work so I wonder if the driving school car ceases to become a "tool of his trade"? Just a thought. BTW, I not a self professed legal expert just thinking out aloud. I smile


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#25 07-05-14 17:45:50

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Re: Parking mad on TV with ADI

What would happen if you got stopped on one of these check points and asked to pay the fine that they are imposing on you, if you tell them that you will pay the outstanding fine then what power have the Baillifs or the Police to enforce the charges that they charge as it has not been ordered by a court only the outstanding amount has, what do you think would happen if they pay and then try to drive off.

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