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#1 22-05-13 09:19:56

Termy
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Fleet training

Hello all,

I am a few weeks away from applying to start my ADI training adventure.

I know the procedure for passing the 3 parts and the optional "pink slip", but what is the procedure for fleet training, is it the same?

I see myself wanting to deal with more advanced drivers as opposed to new learners so fleet/driver improvement sounds more appealing to me.

I hold IAM and Rospa Gold and know they both offer diplomas which they advertise as fleet worthy qualifications but see no mention of them on the dsa gov website for accredited trainers. Would they still be recognised or is it a bit like the NHS vs Homeopathic debate?


Would also love to her peoples opinion on focusing on fleet over lerners, any bad experiences or tips?

Thanks in advance,

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#2 22-05-13 21:59:14

trunkmonkey
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Re: Fleet training

Termy,
I will speak from my experience.

My intention was as yours, to deliver training to the fleet sector as opposed to learner.

1st Stage was to become an ADI and as you are aware there are 3 parts. This is a legal requirement in order to deliver driver training for payment or otherwise.

You already seem set on either an IAM or RoSPA path. Both are valid qualifications in order to enter the DSA Fleet Register. Neither are cheap and then there is the cost of entry onto DSA's Fleet Register.

I completed my RoSPA Diploma within 4 months of passing my Part III.

RoSPA offer a 5 day course, the details can be found on their site under Driver and Fleet Solutions. The final exams consist of written exam (Objective and Subjective), a Presentation of their choice (mine was Acceleration), Advanced Driving Test to include Driving and Instructional Commentary, Advanced Driving Instructional Ability.

The Written exam has a 75% minimum mark
The Presentation is Pass/Fail
Advanced Drive is 75% minimum mark, 85% for a Merit and 90% for a Distinction
Instructional Ability is 60% minimum mark, 80% for a Merit and 90% for a Distinction

So, not too dissimilar to DSA ADI qualification.

On passing and enrolling on the Registers (RoSPA and DSA) that is effectively it.

RoSPA will not offer or guarantee you work and DSA will carry out your Fleet Check Test.

In order to 'get on' in Fleet you have to be well up to date with WRSS (Work Related Road Safety), Accident causation - Reported Road Casualties GB helps, as do DfT Road Safety Research Reports. Learn all you can about Young Drivers, Older Drivers, Motorways, Drink/Drugs, Stress in the Workplace, the Governments Road Safety Strategy - No, forget that, there isn't one.

There are a number of well established Fleet Training companies out there. Most will have their full complement of Fleet Trainers and will no doubt require an impressive CV.
As you mention Driver Improvement - is this as a referral from the police?
If so, their new Matrix (not yet ratified, but soon to be) requires:
ADI for a minimum of 2 years
Grade 5 or above
Fleet Registered
Holder of a valid Advanced Driving qualification
Holder of a Teaching qualification  eg PTLLS

Having vocational qualifications in C and D helps as a lot of companies have vehicles over 3500kgs and your new found skills can be utilised in a way you perhaps hadn't thought of.

Concentrate initially on becoming an ADI and then look at your options.

Good luck in which ever way you go.

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#3 23-05-13 05:54:23

RobC
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Re: Fleet training

Only around 5% of ADIs are Fleet registered and some of those have gained the fleet qualification and have never done any fleet work and dont seem to know how to find work.
Most successful fleet trainers I know have other qualifications and work in specialist areas, however you dont need to be fleet registered to get your own fleet work but you do need good presenting skills, knowledge and be able to sell your services to companies.

I enjoy the variation of both fleet and learners, but they are very different and with fleet you may have to be prepared to travel long distances and stay away from home.

Last edited by RobC (23-05-13 06:08:10)


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#4 23-05-13 21:51:56

ralge
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Re: Fleet training

RobC wrote:

Only around 5% of ADIs are Fleet registered and some of those have gained the fleet qualification and have never done any fleet work and dont seem to know how to find work.
Most successful fleet trainers I know have other qualifications and work in specialist areas, however you dont need to be fleet registered to get your own fleet work but you do need good presenting skills, knowledge and be able to sell your services to companies.

I enjoy the variation of both fleet and learners, but they are very different and with fleet you may have to be prepared to travel long distances and stay away from home.

That rings true, I worked in Bradford today.  Sitting in Basingstoke now for tomorrow's work (and looking forward to tomorrow afternoon's BH weekend drive home!)
"fleet" was only once a cash-cow (govt-funded Safed).  The rest of the time it can be as hit-and-miss income-wise as learners, possibly more so.  It takes time to get established in learners AND in fleet.  I wouldn't like to be starting off in fleet now since somehow, with a little persistence, I found work when I started 8+ years ago. But I can't remember the last time I received an email asking "more fleet trainers required to fulfil new contracts, please forward details of anyone you know that is suitably qualified". I guess that the recession has seen the large training companies put a cap on their trainer list with very few additions.
Furthermore, a fleet badge on its own is probably not enough these days - to get on a trainer list, non-standard d/l entitlements can open doors as can PTLLS and the biggies are getting more demanding (without paying too much extra, in my experience) - for instance PTLLS level 3 was once benchmarked as the required level.  Nowadays level 4 has taken over.

Last edited by ralge (23-05-13 21:53:44)


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#5 24-05-13 06:31:39

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Re: Fleet training

ralge wrote:

That rings true, I worked in Bradford today.  Sitting in Basingstoke now for tomorrow's work (and looking forward to tomorrow afternoon's BH weekend drive home!)

On Monday I set off for Rugby at 4am to avoid the Birmingham rush hour and for a 9am start, Tuesday I was in Manchester another early start to avoid the rush hour (though inevitably got stuck in it after the course) and on Wednesday I was in in Oxford and got home at 10pm, so ive travelled about 800 miles so far this week and thats without my learners yesterday, today and tomorrow. I wouldnt like to add up how many hours that is in the car and driving.

I agree its much harder to get established in fleet than in learners and the fleet badge on its own isnt enough especially if you are competing with other fleet trainers who will no doubt be highly qualified and experienced.
Pass as an ADI first and then do your fleet qualification, gain experience with learners then gain knowledge and any other qualifications you can which will assist you in working in fleet.

Can't think of any bad experiences, however im still waiting to be paid for a local authority fleet job in Snowdonia from several weeks ago whilst learners usually pay cash in advance and dont get credit.

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#6 24-05-13 22:22:19

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Re: Fleet training

Ps to above - took 5.5 hours to drive home tonight, still got four reports to write over the weekend.
Ah, the joys of "fleet"!


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#7 25-05-13 16:55:35

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Re: Fleet training

Ditto to the above....................But for me it damn sure beats teaching learners... smile

Jon


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#8 25-05-13 18:17:15

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Re: Fleet training

Jon Meddings wrote:

Ditto to the above....................But for me it damn sure beats teaching learners... smile

Jon

Got to admit I look forward to my fleet work after all variety is the spice of life!


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#9 27-05-13 14:15:20

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Re: Fleet training

I've heard that the fleet qualification and check test are going to be dropped. This is because the fleet qualification is not recognised in law and the ordinary ADI check test covers a full licence holder anyway. The other reason is that to work for a company which provides fleet work, you usually have to take (pay for) their own courses and induction even though you have a fleet badge.

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#10 27-05-13 17:08:51

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Re: Fleet training

ratty wrote:

I've heard that the fleet qualification and check test are going to be dropped. This is because the fleet qualification is not recognised in law and the ordinary ADI check test covers a full licence holder anyway. The other reason is that to work for a company which provides fleet work, you usually have to take (pay for) their own courses and induction even though you have a fleet badge.

Although it's a great money spinner for the DSA being able to sell two badges  wink


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#11 27-05-13 19:34:43

RobC
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Re: Fleet training

ratty wrote:

This is because the fleet qualification is not recognised in law and the ordinary ADI check test covers a full licence holder anyway

As long as you are an ADI you can legally charge for driving instruction including Fleet work. The fleet 'qualification' is simply that and may or may not be required by companies in order to carry out fleet work.

I agree with JM though that fleet is a money spinner for the DSA.... so the fleet badge is hardly likely to be dropped.


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#12 27-05-13 21:08:39

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Re: Fleet training

Hi Robc
My wife works for a uk local authority and if an invoice is paid 30 days late they have to pay a surcharge of 40 pounds to the company who issued the invoice!New Govt. policy.
Worth checking out?
Peter

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#13 27-05-13 21:37:35

RobC
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From: Nr Ormskirk Lancs
Registered: 28-01-09
Posts: 765
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Re: Fleet training

Lewinpeter1 wrote:

Hi Robc
My wife works for a uk local authority and if an invoice is paid 30 days late they have to pay a surcharge of 40 pounds to the company who issued the invoice!New Govt. policy.
Worth checking out?
Peter

Hi Peter, Thanks I will certainly investigate!


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