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#1 21-05-13 19:12:50

tedski69
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LGV, HGV, Bus etc

I love driving and I always have. Now I have some money behind me I've decided to advance my driving ability.

I have an ordinary UK licence post Jan 97 (although I was sure I'd actually passed my test before then).

I have decided that I'd like to get licences to drive larger vehicles leading eventually to the truly large vehicles.

Now can someone point me in the right direction for what is required to take these lessons please? For instance I presume I can't just shoot for the biggest without passing the smallest.  roll So an order (with the pre-requisites) would be really helpful.

Thanks

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#2 21-05-13 19:30:35

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Re: LGV, HGV, Bus etc

Hi
You don't have to do C1 (7.5 tonne0 before you do C (LGV rigid) but youn do have to do a rigid before you can add +E on to that licence.
So you can do C then C+E and that will also get you C1 and C1+E.
You nheed to get a medical before you start (forms from DVLA and then get provisional for the larger vehicles there is also another theory and HPT test to do before the practical.
If you want to do a bus test the same applies, do the D and D+E and get D1 and D1+E.

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#3 21-05-13 19:32:02

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Re: LGV, HGV, Bus etc

Thanks for the prompt reply.

Cheers  big_smile

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#4 21-05-13 20:30:38

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Re: LGV, HGV, Bus etc

EX LGV instructor here so ......

D4 form medical - pay much more than 50 quid = consider yourself ripped off

D2 form - tick C & D only - medical will then cover all upgrades

D4 medical needed from age 45 every 5 years then every year from age 65

Self assessment medical every 5 years before age 45

If you ever wish to drive commercially then initial driver cpc must be passed for LGV and PCV respectively followed by the periodic driver cpc every 5 years

Do not go to a broker for training and always visit the training school before paying any money

Assessment drives are recommended

Jobs for newbies are rare especially in the first 2 years of holding a new category = insurance issues

Go for C then C+E - both will be manuals because schools do not use autos

If you pass D auto and C and CE manual then you end up with C CE D DE all in manual because C upgrades D

CE will also give you B+E for as long as B remains valid so basically for life

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#5 21-05-13 20:50:54

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Re: LGV, HGV, Bus etc

Great post Rog - all the information the op will need, just 1 thing to add.

You may sometimes find difficulty in getting work straight away with the truck( cat c) licence, but this is not the case with the bus/ coach licence( cat D). Most employers, including the national companies, will take on newly qualified drivers without question.

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#6 24-05-13 04:26:23

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Re: LGV, HGV, Bus etc

If you pass C does it automatically add the lower categories C1, D1, D? And then when you pass C+E it upgrades all lower cats to +E?

It would be insane if you passed C+E but weren't allowed to drive a minibus

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#7 24-05-13 07:40:42

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Re: LGV, HGV, Bus etc

dog wrote:

If you pass C does it automatically add the lower categories C1, D1, D? And then when you pass C+E it upgrades all lower cats to +E?

It would be insane if you passed C+E but weren't allowed to drive a minibus

Welcome to the insane world of driving licences, you would be given the C1 but not D or D1 different cat so testing needed - and C+E would give you trailer entitlement for all the licences you already hold.

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#8 24-05-13 09:20:35

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Re: LGV, HGV, Bus etc

I guess passing D would add D1 automatically then if you didn't have it. Again, insane if you can drive a 60 seat bus but not a 16 seat minibus lol

If you pass C+E and then later pass D1 or D, do they automatically get +E added to them since you already have C+E?

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#9 24-05-13 10:01:47

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Re: LGV, HGV, Bus etc

dog wrote:

I guess passing D would add D1 automatically then if you didn't have it. Again, insane if you can drive a 60 seat bus but not a 16 seat minibus lol

If you pass C+E and then later pass D1 or D, do they automatically get +E added to them since you already have C+E?

D1 is a subcategory of D
C1 is a subcategory of C
C and D are separate categories
Getting the higher category automatically gets the subcategory


Passing C+E will get +E added to all D categories as well as all C and B categories

Passing manual in a C category will upgrade the equivalent auto D category to manual .....
C1 manual upgrades D1 auto to manual
C manual upgrades D1 and D auto to manual

C+E manual upgrades all C and D to manuals and gives them all the +E

B also gets upgraded by C and D passes


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#10 24-05-13 10:04:26

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Re: LGV, HGV, Bus etc

DVLA are awesome lol

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#11 24-05-13 10:15:43

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Re: LGV, HGV, Bus etc

If you pass your C+E and then cat D at a later date you will NOT automatically get D+E - it only works if you do D first then C+E afterwards.

John


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#12 24-05-13 10:28:10

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Re: LGV, HGV, Bus etc

chevronjohn wrote:

If you pass your C+E and then cat D at a later date you will NOT automatically get D+E - it only works if you do D first then C+E afterwards.

John

Has that changed in the last month John ?

The DVLA has always upgraded auto D to manual D+E no matter what order they were passed in but they have often missed putting the upgrades on the licence

I know this because there is a member on trucknetuk who had C+E and then passed D auto within the last few weeks but had to send back licence to DVLA to get the manual D+E because they over looked it - he got it back with D+E manual

I think its on the newbies forum on that site


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#13 24-05-13 13:46:45

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Re: LGV, HGV, Bus etc

(ROG) wrote:
chevronjohn wrote:

If you pass your C+E and then cat D at a later date you will NOT automatically get D+E - it only works if you do D first then C+E afterwards.

John

Has that changed in the last month John ?

The DVLA has always upgraded auto D to manual D+E no matter what order they were passed in but they have often missed putting the upgrades on the licence

I know this because there is a member on trucknetuk who had C+E and then passed D auto within the last few weeks but had to send back licence to DVLA to get the manual D+E because they over looked it - he got it back with D+E manual

I think its on the newbies forum on that site

Yes Rog, had a candidate pass cat D very recently and he wasn't given D+E having held a C+E licence for a number of years - when contacted DVLA told him this was no longer an automatic upgrade.

John


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#14 24-05-13 14:05:49

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Re: LGV, HGV, Bus etc

chevronjohn wrote:
(ROG) wrote:
chevronjohn wrote:

If you pass your C+E and then cat D at a later date you will NOT automatically get D+E - it only works if you do D first then C+E afterwards.

John

Has that changed in the last month John ?

The DVLA has always upgraded auto D to manual D+E no matter what order they were passed in but they have often missed putting the upgrades on the licence

I know this because there is a member on trucknetuk who had C+E and then passed D auto within the last few weeks but had to send back licence to DVLA to get the manual D+E because they over looked it - he got it back with D+E manual

I think its on the newbies forum on that site

Yes Rog, had a candidate pass cat D very recently and he wasn't given D+E having held a C+E licence for a number of years - when contacted DVLA told him this was no longer an automatic upgrade.

John

When were the rules changed on this because I called them over this issue and got told catagorically (spelling) that it got upgraded no matter which way around it was done - that was within the last 6 weeks


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#15 24-05-13 15:01:15

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Re: LGV, HGV, Bus etc

As we both know, DSA and DVLA are prone to giving different answers to the same question roll  roll

I have advised him to contact them and "clarify" the exact situation

John


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#16 24-05-13 15:20:12

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From: LEICESTER
Registered: 23-08-10
Posts: 1,551

Re: LGV, HGV, Bus etc

chevronjohn wrote:

As we both know, DSA and DVLA are prone to giving different answers to the same question roll  roll

I have advised him to contact them and "clarify" the exact situation

John

As this is purely a DVLA matter then I have emailed them so expect a reply in 48 hours


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#17 23-08-13 16:22:14

markyt2011
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Registered: 22-08-13
Posts: 6

Re: LGV, HGV, Bus etc

(ROG) wrote:

EX LGV instructor here so ......

D4 form medical - pay much more than 50 quid = consider yourself ripped off

D2 form - tick C & D only - medical will then cover all upgrades

D4 medical needed from age 45 every 5 years then every year from age 65

Self assessment medical every 5 years before age 45

If you ever wish to drive commercially then initial driver cpc must be passed for LGV and PCV respectively followed by the periodic driver cpc every 5 years

Do not go to a broker for training and always visit the training school before paying any money

Assessment drives are recommended

Jobs for newbies are rare especially in the first 2 years of holding a new category = insurance issues

Go for C then C+E - both will be manuals because schools do not use autos

If you pass D auto and C and CE manual then you end up with C CE D DE all in manual because C upgrades D

CE will also give you B+E for as long as B remains valid so basically for life

wished i'd looked at this on the other day smile
noticed you are leicester so near me in melton mowbray so wondered if there is any good LGV trainers with fair rates for a holder of a class d auto for over 10 years that wants to get a class C and remove my auto restriction of my class D, at least then i can do coach work for a few years then later look at doing class C and maybe even go for my C+E.

thanks in advance for any info you can give me smile

Last edited by markyt2011 (23-08-13 16:22:30)

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#18 27-08-13 18:47:50

(ROG)
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From: LEICESTER
Registered: 23-08-10
Posts: 1,551

Re: LGV, HGV, Bus etc

markyt2011 wrote:

noticed you are leicester so near me in melton mowbray so wondered if there is any good LGV trainers with fair rates for a holder of a class d auto for over 10 years that wants to get a class C and remove my auto restriction of my class D, at least then i can do coach work for a few years then later look at doing class C and maybe even go for my C+E.

thanks in advance for any info you can give me smile

data academy NEAR m1/m69


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