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#1 06-11-12 22:02:33

reddragonbus
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changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

Licences held from 1 January 1997

If you passed your driving test after 1 January 1997 and have an ordinary category B (car) licence, you can drive either:

a vehicle up to 3.5 tonnes or 3,500 kilograms (kg) Maximum Authorised Mass (MAM) towing a trailer of up to 750kg MAM (with a combined weight of up to 4,250kg in total)
a trailer over 750kg MAM as long as it is no more than the unladen or kerb weight of the towing vehicle (with a combined weight of up to 3,500kg in total)


Licences issued from 19 January 2013

From 19 January 2013, drivers passing a category B (car and small vehicle) test can tow:

small trailers weighing no more than 750kg
trailers weighing more than 750kg, where the combined weight of the towing vehicle and the trailer isnt more than 3,500kg
If you want to tow a trailer weighing more than 750kg, when the combined weight of the towing vehicle and trailer is more than 3,500kg, youll have to pass a further test and get B+E entitlement on your licence.

Youll then be able to tow trailers up to 3,500kg.



Why does my head hurt?

So they are restricting the combination to 3500kg rather than 4250kg but they can tow a trailer which weighs more than the unladen weight of the towing vehicle where those who have passed in the last 15 years are restricted?

If you passed your B test between 1.1.97 and 18.1.13 are you restricted to a 3500kg trailer if you pass your B+E test after 18.1.13 or does that only apply to those who passed the B test after 18.1.13


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#2 07-11-12 08:54:09

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

Its the dumb way in which they have put it

There will be no change to the B licence towing rules from what there is currently - got that from DVLA on three occasions

DVLA giving the exactly same answer 3 times usually means that the answer is correct


There is a change to NEWLY qualified B+E category holders after that date - they will be restricted to trailers of 3500 kgs MAM - hmmm.... how many is that really going to cause an issue for ....


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#3 07-11-12 13:56:47

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

So we are going to have 3 lots of people with B+E licences.

Those who got it for free and can do anything they want.

Those who passed prior to 2013 and can tow to the capacity of the vehicle.

Those who passed after 2012 who can only tow 3500kg.

That is going to make things alot easier.


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#4 07-11-12 16:31:11

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

Those who got B+E at any time before 19 jan 2013 are all in the same boat - there is no difference in what they can tow


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#5 07-11-12 16:34:50

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

reddragonbus wrote:

Those who got it for free and can do anything they want.

Those who passed prior to 2013 and can tow to the capacity of the vehicle.

The first line is the same as the second because those in the first line cannot do more than tow within the vehicles towing capacities

Last edited by (ROG) (07-11-12 16:38:36)


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#6 23-01-13 14:48:39

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

UPDATE
DVLA INFO SOURCE

If you have passed your car (category B) test on or after 19
January 2013, to tow a trailer weighing more than 3,500kg
with a car or small vehicle (category B and B+E), you will
need to pass a test for category C1E.

This means the rules the driver is under for B+E will be dependant on when the B was passed and not the B+E


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#7 23-01-13 19:49:10

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

(ROG) wrote:

UPDATE
DVLA INFO SOURCE

If you have passed your car (category B) test on or after 19
January 2013, to tow a trailer weighing more than 3,500kg
with a car or small vehicle (category B and B+E), you will
need to pass a test for category C1E.

This means the rules the driver is under for B+E will be dependant on when the B was passed and not the B+E

How it reads to me isn't any different to post 97 rules - bearing in mind that a trailer shouldn't weigh more than the towing vehicle, therefore if the trailer weighs more than 3500kg then the towing vehicle will need to be heavier therefore a c1 vehicle neutral


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#8 23-01-13 21:12:31

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

chevronjohn wrote:
(ROG) wrote:

UPDATE
DVLA INFO SOURCE

If you have passed your car (category B) test on or after 19
January 2013, to tow a trailer weighing more than 3,500kg
with a car or small vehicle (category B and B+E), you will
need to pass a test for category C1E.

This means the rules the driver is under for B+E will be dependant on when the B was passed and not the B+E

How it reads to me isn't any different to post 97 rules - bearing in mind that a trailer shouldn't weigh more than the towing vehicle, therefore if the trailer weighs more than 3500kg then the towing vehicle will need to be heavier therefore a c1 vehicle neutral

There is no law or rule where it states that the trailer should not weigh more than the towing vehicle

In fact there are now many B category vehicles which are around 2750 GVW with a recommended towing capacity of 3500 and they have been designed for that

There are B category vehicles which have been designed as mini artics towing a trailer with MAMs well in excess of 7 tonnes !!


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#9 23-01-13 21:35:58

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

Hi
There are a number of Japanese pickup type SUVs which can be fitted with a fifth wheel on the loadbed and they tow these: http://tinyurl.com/ayxh672
Some of those photos will be american market size but I have seen three different rigs local to me.

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#10 10-05-13 15:46:40

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

Can someone clarify the actual changes?

I passed B in 2007 so I understand I can drive a vehicle (car/van etc) up to 3500kg GVW and tow a trailer up to 750kg GVW, making for a GTW of 4250kg. OR I can tow a larger trailer, providing the GTW does not exceed 3500kg and the GVW of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle.

For example my car is 1720kg unladen and 2195kg GVW so I can tow a trailer up to 1300kg GVW (there are plenty, even caravans) as the GTW is under 3500kg (only just) and the GVW of the trailer is less than the unladen weight of the towing vehicle.

When I pass B+E can I drive a vehicle up to 3500kg GVW with a trailer up to 3500kg GVW, making for a GTW of 7000kg (providing the tow vehicle is capable of towing this weight, I believe there are a few eg Land Rover Discovery, Audi Q7 etc)?

What difference will the new regs make to me?

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#11 10-05-13 19:07:55

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

dog wrote:

Can someone clarify the actual changes?

I passed B in 2007 so I understand I can drive a vehicle (car/van etc) up to 3500kg GVW and tow a trailer up to 750kg GVW, making for a GTW of 4250kg. OR I can tow a larger trailer, providing the GTW does not exceed 3500kg and the GVW of the trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of the towing vehicle.

For example my car is 1720kg unladen and 2195kg GVW so I can tow a trailer up to 1300kg GVW (there are plenty, even caravans) as the GTW is under 3500kg (only just) and the GVW of the trailer is less than the unladen weight of the towing vehicle.

When I pass B+E can I drive a vehicle up to 3500kg GVW with a trailer up to 3500kg GVW, making for a GTW of 7000kg (providing the tow vehicle is capable of towing this weight, I believe there are a few eg Land Rover Discovery, Audi Q7 etc)?

What difference will the new regs make to me?

No difference to you

B licence changes = none for anybody

Those that pass BOTH B & B+E after 19/01/2013 will be restricted to trailers no more than 3500 kgs plated MAM for their B+E licence


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#12 10-05-13 20:56:26

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

I thought 3500kg was the limit on B+E anyway?

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#13 11-05-13 07:50:28

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

dog wrote:

I thought 3500kg was the limit on B+E anyway?

there is no upper trailer limit for the B+E licence unless the driver is under the new rules

there are design limitations for the vehicle and trailer

Last edited by (ROG) (11-05-13 07:51:47)


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#14 11-05-13 07:56:34

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

Hi

(ROG) wrote:
dog wrote:

I thought 3500kg was the limit on B+E anyway?

there is no upper trailer limit for the B+E licence unless the driver is under the new rules

there are design limitations for the vehicle and trailer

I would refer both of you to RDB's first post on this thread.

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#15 11-05-13 08:43:04

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

pegasus wrote:

I would refer both of you to RDB's first post on this thread.

Which has a quote from the DVLA which is as clear as mud !!

RDB asked questions on it because he was not sure what it meant

Why they do not use plain English like I can is beyond me


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#16 11-05-13 10:15:46

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

(ROG) wrote:
dog wrote:

I thought 3500kg was the limit on B+E anyway?

there is no upper trailer limit for the B+E licence unless the driver is under the new rules

there are design limitations for the vehicle and trailer

I thought trailers over 3500kg GVW required air brakes and I haven't seen any cars with air brake systems, or maximum towing weights over 3500kg.

So in essence the changes will not affect anyone

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#17 11-05-13 11:30:31

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

B+E articulated motor home is one example with brakes either electric or air - some of those trailers can be well over 3500 kgs MAM but are fairly rare

They are usually American imports


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#18 15-05-13 09:41:33

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

Thanks for the information ROG I guess it will not affect me as I do not have any intentions of towing over 3500kg and my current car has a 1900kg limit anyway.

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

Land Rover Defender has an optional extra for close coupled brakes (air) which increase its maximum towing weight to 4000kg, I guess this is where the new licence rules would catch me out as I would need C1+E to drive such a combination.

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#20 08-08-13 08:26:29

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

dog wrote:

Land Rover Defender has an optional extra for close coupled brakes (air) which increase its maximum towing weight to 4000kg, I guess this is where the new licence rules would catch me out as I would need C1+E to drive such a combination.

To need C1+E you would need to have passed both B and B+E after 19/01/2013 and have a trailer which has a MAM over 3500 kgs


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#21 08-08-13 11:22:39

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Re: changes to category B from 19th Jan 2013

Hi dog
Is it an SWB or an LWB?

I had an enquiry from a farmers son who wanted to do B+E, but it turned out he wanted to use the farms LWB, unfortunately it had the extra sideways rows of seats in the back which took it into category D1.
So he had to get a vocational D1+E because driving it for the family bhusiness would not have qualified him for the restriction 101 derogation.

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