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#1 06-06-12 18:43:23

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Smart Driving

Had a couple emails off Smart Driving over the weekend. They were offering discounted membership. Did anyone take up this offer?

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#2 06-06-12 19:02:10

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No, I cancelled my membership when, John Farlam kept telling me to charge more, but started doing cheap rate instructor training.

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#3 06-06-12 20:01:55

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I think JF has lost a lot of the respect he had earned over the years over this cheap training.

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#4 06-06-12 20:38:45

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Didn't renew my subscription which was due this month. I was getting cheesed off with all the "coaching" nonsense being preached to me twice a week. Have to say I am not missing it at all.

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#5 06-06-12 23:24:44

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I did the same with smart driving, I think John Farlam has lost the plot, he needs to take his own advice. I've know him for years and he was well respected but that's all changed since he teamed up with others selling coaching courses.


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#6 07-06-12 05:37:24

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#7 07-06-12 08:12:56

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Re: Smart Driving

Over a year ago i posted that they were scam merchants only interested in charging for this and that and got shot down in flames. Lots of you said what a nice man he is ect well peeps it would appear once again i was right. lol


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#8 08-06-12 09:18:22

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Same!Same! All we hear from John is " a survey carried out by experts" there is no more an expert to consult than the driving instructor on the street to find out there is no work there no matter what magic pill you decide to try from these " EXPERTS". as I have said before on this forum the market has been flooded with adi's now we are reaping the rewards. Less business, no job, loosing our homes etc. FREE market? Driving instructor will be as commonly used as the word "unemployed" in conversations if something is not done pretty damn quickly. There are instructors out there who have noticed the decline in the market, there are instructors out there who have recognised maybe not as many pups as last year this time. There are instructors out there are willing to bury their heads in the sand and say " No my business isn't being effected, You should be doing this you should be doing that". Don't kid yourselves the "RECESSION" is here to stay and WE will ALL be effected.  All the Very Best in the decisions adi's make in keeping their business's afloat. Willy. roll  mad


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#9 08-06-12 09:24:29

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WillyO wrote:

Same!Same! All we hear from John is " a survey carried out by experts" there is no more an expert to consult than the driving instructor on the street to find out there is no work there no matter what magic pill you decide to try from these " EXPERTS". as I have said before on this forum the market has been flooded with adi's now we are reaping the rewards. Less business, no job, loosing our homes etc. FREE market? Driving instructor will be as commonly used as the word "unemployed" in conversations if something is not done pretty damn quickly. There are instructors out there who have noticed the decline in the market, there are instructors out there who have recognised maybe not as many pups as last year this time. There are instructors out there are willing to bury their heads in the sand and say " No my business isn't being effected, You should be doing this you should be doing that". Don't kid yourselves the "RECESSION" is here to stay and WE will ALL be effected.  All the Very Best in the decisions adi's make in keeping their business's afloat. Willy. roll  mad

Who do you suggest should do something about it  ?

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#10 08-06-12 09:51:48

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fishie wrote:

Over a year ago i posted that they were scam merchants only interested in charging for this and that and got shot down in flames. Lots of you said what a nice man he is ect well peeps it would appear once again i was right. lol

What a load of rubbish,i don't agree that 'once again you were right'

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#11 08-06-12 09:52:05

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mspl wrote:
WillyO wrote:

Same!Same! All we hear from John is " a survey carried out by experts" there is no more an expert to consult than the driving instructor on the street to find out there is no work there no matter what magic pill you decide to try from these " EXPERTS". as I have said before on this forum the market has been flooded with adi's now we are reaping the rewards. Less business, no job, loosing our homes etc. FREE market? Driving instructor will be as commonly used as the word "unemployed" in conversations if something is not done pretty damn quickly. There are instructors out there who have noticed the decline in the market, there are instructors out there who have recognised maybe not as many pups as last year this time. There are instructors out there are willing to bury their heads in the sand and say " No my business isn't being effected, You should be doing this you should be doing that". Don't kid yourselves the "RECESSION" is here to stay and WE will ALL be effected.  All the Very Best in the decisions adi's make in keeping their business's afloat. Willy. roll  mad

Who do you suggest should do something about it  ?

smile You ! Me ! and every other registered adi in the whole of Great Britain. We choose a job and pay for registration every 4 years we have a right to a level playing field. We can cap the Armed forces, Police, Prison Service and the like because the Government says we only have so much money, so they cap! We have gone to a lot of trouble and expense to get to where we are, they have no right to put anyone on the scrapheap just because it's not their money. mad mad mad mad


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#12 08-06-12 11:40:25

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Re: Smart Driving

willyO wrote:

You ! Me ! and every other registered adi in the whole of Great Britain. We choose a job and pay for registration every 4 years we have a right to a level playing field. We can cap the Armed forces, Police, Prison Service and the like because the Government says we only have so much money, so they cap! We have gone to a lot of trouble and expense to get to where we are, they have no right to put anyone on the scrapheap just because it's not their money

They are all employed by the govt, we aren't.   The last thing we want is to have the govt interfering in how we run our business.

   In the long term those who can manage to keep their business afloat will prosper because a lot of the competition will fail. Those who don't want to, or can't adapt to the changing market won't be around for much longer.

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#13 08-06-12 12:06:49

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Re: Smart Driving

Well said!


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#14 08-06-12 19:58:47

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Re: Smart Driving

I second that! The number of people registering as PDIs has dropped by over 50% in the last year so if this trend continues the ADi register will start to get smaller. Why do so many blame the Goverment other ADis charging low prices & anyone else but themselves. I qualified 5 years ago, have increased my prices every year & have been busier with a higher net profit every year. It has not been easy but I have always looked to improve what I do not complain about what others do, but then again the doom & gloom mangers don't want to hear that! To me the recession is great because it will weed out the instructors giving poor value for money & leave more work for the rest of us. People do not want cheap lessons because of the recession they want VALUE FOR MONEY!


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#15 08-06-12 20:20:52

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Re: Smart Driving

G wrote:

I second that! The number of people registering as PDIs has dropped by over 50% in the last year so if this trend continues the ADi register will start to get smaller. Why do so many blame the Goverment other ADis charging low prices & anyone else but themselves. I qualified 5 years ago, have increased my prices every year & have been busier with a higher net profit every year. It has not been easy but I have always looked to improve what I do not complain about what others do, but then again the doom & gloom mangers don't want to hear that! To me the recession is great because it will weed out the instructors giving poor value for money & leave more work for the rest of us. People do not want cheap lessons because of the recession they want VALUE FOR MONEY!

I don't know if this was directed at me? I have been a qualified driving instructor for the past 13 years I held a grade 6 for 12 of those years and had a great referral record.The area that I live in has been swamped with trainees undercutting anything that moves by so called instructor trainers that never sit in on any lessons that the trainees deliver. We have had 3 cases here where it took the pdi's 9 years to pass the part 3 going through the system 3 times each and doing £10 lessons.Don't tell  me that there are the "Bee's knees" out there and the rest are giving poor value for money, I've heard it all on here now with your 5 years experience, Walk a few miles in some of these experienced instructors shoes before we start slapping yer buddies on the shoulder and agreeing to agree.But, I agree to disagree with your statement. mad


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#16 08-06-12 21:21:34

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Re: Smart Driving

It wasn't directed at anyone, how can I direct it at you if I know nothing about you but your reply was. I'm sorry I didn't realise I couldn't agree with others because I only have 5 years experience. What is so wrong with someone saying they are doing ok & enjoying the job! Anyone who does on here is quickly slapped down. I don't care if you have 1 year or 25 years experience I hope everyone is enjoying what they do & making a reasonable living at it. If not do something about it or do something else just stop moaning about it & blaming everyone else!


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#17 08-06-12 21:24:49

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Re: Smart Driving

G wrote:

It wasn't directed at anyone, how can I direct it at you if I know nothing about you but your reply was. I'm sorry I didn't realise I couldn't agree with others because I only have 5 years experience. What is so wrong with someone saying they are doing ok & enjoying the job! Anyone who does on here is quickly slapped down. I don't care if you have 1 year or 25 years experience I hope everyone is enjoying what they do & making a reasonable living at it. If not do something about it or do something else just stop moaning about it & blaming everyone else!


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#18 08-06-12 21:25:13

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Re: Smart Driving

Why are PDI applications down?

Could the reason be that the public now perceive that driving lessons are now cheap therefore no profit to be made?


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#19 08-06-12 21:28:58

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Re: Smart Driving

I think they are down because Red is no longer in the market & all the bad publicity is making people research the job prospect & realise it is not easy money as the adverts had them believe. That is not to say a decent living can't be made but not £30k & work the hours you want.


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#20 08-06-12 21:43:19

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Re: Smart Driving

G wrote:

It wasn't directed at anyone, how can I direct it at you if I know nothing about you but your reply was. I'm sorry I didn't realise I couldn't agree with others because I only have 5 years experience. What is so wrong with someone saying they are doing ok & enjoying the job! Anyone who does on here is quickly slapped down. I don't care if you have 1 year or 25 years experience I hope everyone is enjoying what they do & making a reasonable living at it. If not do something about it or do something else just stop moaning about it & blaming everyone else!

Have you even read my initial post to discover what it was in reply to?


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#21 08-06-12 21:56:58

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Re: Smart Driving

My original post was nothing to do with your post I was just agreeing with what Roadmaster posted you were the one who implied it was about you. The fact that he quoted your post was irrelevant to me it was has words that I was agreeing with!


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#22 08-06-12 22:00:45

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Re: Smart Driving

G wrote:

My original post was nothing to do with your post I was just agreeing with what Roadmaster posted you were the one who implied it was about you. The fact that he quoted your post was irrelevant to me it was has words that I was agreeing with!

I think we had better leave this as it could get out of hand we can cherry pick all night on who said what!


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#23 08-06-12 23:04:33

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Re: Smart Driving

The number of trainees has nothing to do with the low prices, trainees don't set their lesson rates because they must be sponsered  by a driving school and it they who set the rates. The low lesson rates are caused by greedy driving school owners who's only interest is taking on as many trainees as possible to take more franchise fees.

The other reasons for new business being down is this massive crash in the world economy, everyone in business is affected not just driving instructors, some businesses have been hit harder than us, plus young drivers simply can't afford to run a car through the extortionate cost of insurance and fuel. These are the things that are hitting us and it's certainly not the fault of independent ADI trainers.


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#24 09-06-12 11:15:53

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Re: Smart Driving

Terrier i think you have got your head in the sands with that last post, lets take a look at what you said:-
Trainees dont set their own charges true but the moment the pass they then go self employed as its so easy. AAAaaaa dont think so its !!!!!!!! hard out there and so to get business in, they cut the price which then goes round in a circle.
Greedy driving school owners ( like me ) What a load of rubish every time i set on an adi it costs me car+insurance+break down cover and support ie £16,000 and if i dont keep them happy ie full of work they leave. Its me that gets stuck with the car and all those costs. Do you realy think its in my interest to flood the local market place with cars get real its a short term gain.
World economy Yes its the pits at this point in time but i can say that the VAST majority of GOOD adis are busy the problem imo stems from the fact there are to many BAD adi's out there.
Adi trainers Why is it not the fault of adi trainers. I would say it is trainers like you have seen it as more profitable to train adi's up the learners. You have taken every person that has knocked on your door and churned out loads of people that if we are frank about it should not be in this profession. These are the type of person that can not run a business and have to resort to price.
Its the trainers imo and the dsa for not controling numbers on the registar, councils do it with taxi's so why not them.
Martin the greedy one !!
Ps if in any doubt please read sanam 3983 thread re no work

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#25 09-06-12 11:34:49

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Re: Smart Driving

fishie wrote:

Yes its the pits at this point in time but i can say that the VAST majority of GOOD adis are busy the problem imo stems from the fact there are to many BAD adi's out there.

It's you who has your head in the sand.      Several of my local long established colleagues have given up their badge because there is no work.  No one in my area is busy.  We must be in a town full of bad instructors according to you.

There have always been ADI trainers. I used one to become an ADI.    They chose to train up instructors rather than, or possibly alongside, training learners. 

And there has always been franchisors, who just drive a desk round the office while counting their  never ending income from  ADIs who have signed up to long contracts even though they don't get any work.

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