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#26 24-12-11 21:17:19

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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

Hi,

That's why a number of ADIs do it and no black marks at all.

The car is owned by hp company til final payment made and most hp agreements allow you to hand it back half way through.

Cheers, Brian

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#27 24-12-11 23:06:19

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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

I've sat in the back of the A1 on test (don't own one) and there isn't much room in the back when you have a long legged driver.

Having said that, it is a nice car, but make sure you try out all the seats before you buy


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#28 27-12-11 15:11:49

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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

Hi,

That's why a number of ADIs do it and no black marks at all.

The car is owned by hp company til final payment made and most hp agreements allow you to hand it back half way through.

Cheers, Brian

You cannot do that, you owe the outstanding amount of the HP, if the car is not worth that then the HP company can pursue you through the courts for the outstanding balance.

You might want to read the HP contract more closely.  Whilst you might get away with it, it can be a dangerous game.

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#29 27-12-11 18:19:11

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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

If the HP contract has a voluntary termination clause in it then yes you can!

And the finance company are only entitled to be paid half the total amount payable which is more than half the cost of the purchase price of the car.
It does however leave a flag on your credit file to say that you have exercised your right to early termination and although this is not a negative mark other finance companies will see it and it may influence their decision to provide credit.

Graeme

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#30 27-12-11 18:55:41

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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

If the HP contract has a voluntary termination clause in it then yes you can!

And the finance company are only entitled to be paid half the total amount payable which is more than half the cost of the purchase price of the car.
It does however leave a flag on your credit file to say that you have exercised your right to early termination and although this is not a negative mark other finance companies will see it and it may influence their decision to provide credit.

Graeme

Lots of information on this link how you can do it but it's not something i would like to do.

http://www.nationaldebtline.co.uk/engla … chase_debt

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#31 27-12-11 20:58:15

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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

graemeg wrote:

If the HP contract has a voluntary termination clause in it then yes you can!

And the finance company are only entitled to be paid half the total amount payable which is more than half the cost of the purchase price of the car.
It does however leave a flag on your credit file to say that you have exercised your right to early termination and although this is not a negative mark other finance companies will see it and it may influence their decision to provide credit.

Graeme

Lots of information on this link how you can do it but it's not something i would like to do.

http://www.nationaldebtline.co.uk/engla … chase_debt

why not. if it's part of the agreement that your allowed to hand the goods back after paying off half the amount then why not do it if it suits your circunstances. i've done it in the past. the HP copmpany did warn me that if the car was not in good condition when they received it back there would be a surcharge to pay. i always look after my cars well and never had any extra to pay. the guy who came to pick up the car had a quick look inside and out. we both signed to say he was receiving the car in good condition and that was that. as for it affecting your credit rating, i don't agree. before i did it i checked with the HP company if this would be the case, and they said they didn't see why it should. i haven't had any problems ever getting finance for a car. 


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#32 28-12-11 08:29:56

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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

"In addition you will also owe any damages if you have failed to take reasonable care of the goods (over and above normal wear and tear). The creditor might argue that there will be an extra charge for damage or unusual wear and tear."

This is the bit you will have to watch out for, 60,000+ miles on a 2 yr old car might not be viewed as 'normal' wear and tear. So COULD land you with an extra bill.

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#33 28-12-11 11:57:00

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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

Hi,

Several years ago I handed 3 cars back at the same time and no issues.

More recently I have had a few ADIs do the same including one who is now on his 4th HP agreement and he has handed the cars back after 19 months with as much as 110,000 miles on and no issues.

If someone says they don't want to do it then fine by me, but that is the purpose of an HP agreement if it is written in terms as a termination part of the agreement, which most are. But you do need to check what terms are in place and it is definately an HP agreement you have.

Brian


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#34 29-02-12 19:19:01

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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

If you are looking into getting an A1, Id avoid the 1.6tdi.  I know of 3 instructors with them that have all suffered massive dual mass flywheel and clutch failure in the past few weeks.  16,000 miles on the clock and Audi refusing to pay up under warranty.

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#35 29-02-12 23:29:40

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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

kodama wrote:

If you are looking into getting an A1, Id avoid the 1.6tdi.  I know of 3 instructors with them that have all suffered massive dual mass flywheel and clutch failure in the past few weeks.  16,000 miles on the clock and Audi refusing to pay up under warranty.

Blimey, that's rubbish! And to think I was considering switching to an A1 in a couple of years. When my clutch failed on my last Toyota at 25,000 miles they were hugely apologetic and replaced it under warranty.

With customer service like that I'm staying away from Audi. I've heard similar reports about BMW, Vauxhall and Peugeout refusing to pay up when clutches fail at low mileage.

Toyota rock! Your post has decided my next car (Auris or Yaris).


Rob

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#36 22-03-12 08:09:26

kodama
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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

I've found several other instructors now with the same pressure plate/clutch/flywheel problem.  Audi wont budge, other master techs I've visited say defect.  What can you do?

I've lost faith in Audi and this car.  If anyone really wants one, I've got this for sale.

1.6Tdi Sport
Almalfi White
17,000 miles
11 plate - 9 months old
Media Package
Fitted with He-Mans
Taxed
99g CO2 produced

£14,500


The other thing to remember about PCP is the ending.
Hand it back - what's the point?
Big balloon payment - Mine would be £12K I think if I remember correctly.  Who can afford that?
Or get another - Sounds simple doesn't it.  No one uttered a word about another £3500 deposit for that car though.   So you land up paying £3K or so every two years, plus the £250 a month for the contract.  Expensive business this instructor malarkey.

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#37 22-03-12 08:24:51

Roadmaster
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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

kodama wrote:

Expensive business this instructor malarkey.

Especially when ADIs jump into contracts without sitting down, reading them properly and thinking about what they are taking on.
Surely you looked at all options for getting a car?

And you are asking for over 14 grand for a car which you admit has big problems.  Are you hoping someone else on the forum is as daft as you?

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#38 22-03-12 19:01:49

kodama
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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

Thanks for the insult there.  It's so nice to receive abuse from people you don't know.

Like I said RoadMeister, if anyone really wants one, they can have my one £14,500.

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#39 11-11-12 17:16:26

ratty
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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

kodama wrote:

I've found several other instructors now with the same pressure plate/clutch/flywheel problem.  Audi wont budge, other master techs I've visited say defect.  What can you do?

I've lost faith in Audi and this car.  If anyone really wants one, I've got this for sale.

1.6Tdi Sport
Almalfi White
17,000 miles
11 plate - 9 months old
Media Package
Fitted with He-Mans
Taxed
99g CO2 produced

14,500


The other thing to remember about PCP is the ending.
Hand it back - what's the point?
Big balloon payment - Mine would be 12K I think if I remember correctly.  Who can afford that?
Or get another - Sounds simple doesn't it.  No one uttered a word about another 3500 deposit for that car though.   So you land up paying 3K or so every two years, plus the 250 a month for the contract.  Expensive business this instructor malarkey.

I don't understand this.

Cars have to be paid for and if you want the luxury of a new car they cost lots of money.

You either pay the full cost at the start when you buy it, or you pay some when you buy it then the rest when you have it, or you pay very little when you first get it and not much when you have it then lots with interest a few years later with a balloon payment.

You sound surprised as if this is a surprise????

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#40 12-11-12 06:02:24

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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

I was surprised as what I was told when first buying it wasn't the same when I was then looking into at a later date when it started to fall to bits. 

The salesman, if you can him that, told me that all I needed to do was simply "chop the car in for a new one" at the end of the term. So this is what I was going to do. I was lead to believe that the car would be the deposit for the next one.

He never uttered a word about having to give another huge deposit.  And it's not in any of the paper work.  Some of us aren't as worldly and experienced as others.  I'm sorry for that Ratty.  I've learnt my lesson now, sorry if that bothers you.  I'll not share my experiences in future as it seems to upset everyone.

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#41 12-11-12 07:13:31

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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

Believe me, I'm not bothered or upset at all.

I'm surprised that someone thinks that a car which has been used for three years as a driving school tool which includes putting on loads of miles and the car being driven by people who don't know how to drive, is worth anything at all let alone be worth a deposit for a new one. I wouldn't buy an ex-driving school car and I doubt many others would if they had much of a choice so it will be very difficult to sell after you pass it on.

I think you can call the salesman a salesman, after all he sold a car to you so that makes him a salesman doesn't it? If you told him what the car was going to be used for and the expected mileage it was going to cover, surely the balloon payment would have been quite small because the car will be worth a lot less than a car not used for instruction? I presume that you chose lower monthly payments and a high balloon payment because it was cheaper in the short term? Short term or long term the car still has to be paid for and it will have little value after this usage after three years.

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#42 12-11-12 07:51:10

kodama
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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

For someone who isn't bothered you're investing a lot of time in belittling me. Have I offended you in some way?  To pick up a thread that finished around 8 months ago and then go and then deliberately agitate someone who experienced a really stressful time over something, would suggest you are bothered.

I've used salesman in the loosest sense of the word.  He sold me a car on PCP, fitted the controls for tuition purposes, but you can't sell a car on PCP if it's going to be used for work.  So not a very good salesman when he doesn't know his own product.  He also failed to mention anything about having to pay another deposit again after the two years.  I don't know why you're so angry with me for not knowing this.  I took him at his word.  I trusted him and thought he was an expert, selling me the right product for what I do.  Turns out it wasn't.  It turns out he was incompetent at his job and lacked any knowledge of his products.  To call him a salesman is an insult to other salespersons around the world who have the same job title.

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#43 12-11-12 08:32:30

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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

A PCP contract has to be agreed in writing by both parties, and as a back up the buyer then has some time to read the contract and pull out of it if he/she decides it isn't right.  The salesman has to assume that the buyer is happy with the terms shown in the contract, otherwise why would they buy it?

I'm confused now.  In post no. 36 you are trying to sell a car which is on a pcp and therefore doesn't belong to you.

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#44 12-11-12 13:23:37

kodama
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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

You can sell a car on PCP as long as you pay off the owners.  And that information is straight from Audi finance.

In the contract, on about the 13th page, in tiny writing, it says that the car can not be used for financial gain, i.e working.  The man at Audi, flogging cars, didn't know this.

So Audi mis-sold me a car.   

It's pretty simple.  The financial ombudsman have finally brought this battle to an end, in my favour.  smile

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#45 12-11-12 17:02:49

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Re: Audi A1 on a PCP

Honda just refused me PCP ,on a Jazz for that reason, happy to do it on HP, but not PCP.

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