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#26 25-04-09 15:07:28

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Re: Waiting at traffic lights - neutral or 1st

Hi everyone, as a learner and reading all these comments i am even more confused can you not all have a vote to help us learners be more clear.

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#27 25-04-09 15:35:47

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Re: Waiting at traffic lights - neutral or 1st

then theres the idea of turning off the engine to save fuel(good old ECO ), how many cars back do you need to be to do that?(another thread debate perhaps)

If a car is going to break down, it generally happens when you are trying to start it. I think that swiching off engines is asking for long traffic jams, whilst waiting for those who have broken down.

Our examiners have started moaning about aircon too. So I leave the air con off. They open the window instead thus wasting the fuel, saved by leaving the air con off. 


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#28 25-04-09 18:20:02

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Re: Waiting at traffic lights - neutral or 1st

Hi everyone, as a learner and reading all these comments i am even more confused can you not all have a vote to help us learners be more clear.

a vote wouldnt help.

just remember you wont fail by leaving it in gear and you won't fail by taking it out.

you COULD fail by not being able to get it in gear when you need to by taking it out when you didnt need to and so holding people up.. how many times when youv'e been on lessons have to had a job getting it into gear when in a hurry??

(and i think EKAL was joking about turning the engine off.. any one doing that at lights under normal circumstances would be nuts)

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#29 25-04-09 19:29:00

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Re: Waiting at traffic lights - neutral or 1st

(and i think EKAL was joking about turning the engine off.. any one doing that at lights under normal circumstances would be nuts)

:evil: :evil: :evil:


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#30 25-04-09 22:41:29

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Re: Waiting at traffic lights - neutral or 1st

I'm afraid it's not as simple as that Mazmw, there are many 'shades of grey' out here as well black and white answers. There is no right or wrong in it whether a pupil waits in neutral OR first. As long as being in neutral doesn't hold you up when the lights go green again for you. Choose whichever suits you for the situation you are in at that time. E.g, one here on our routes several sets of lights are red for literally AGES"!! At that time it's often more comfortable for the learner to go into neutral and rest their left leg for a mo knowing the lights won't change any time soon type thing  lol Early on in a que the last thing you need is to panic or rush if you don't time the light change quite enough, etc etc

This thread is just a debate discussing how we teach and what techniques we may use and WHY we teach how we do. This helps us to help YOU better by all of us learning from each other so don't panic when you see different topics discussed, we aren't going to be teaching you something you would fail for doing (or that would be unsafe to practice now and once you pass) we are discussing the smaller finer details.  smile

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#31 26-04-09 08:10:11

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Re: Waiting at traffic lights - neutral or 1st

Good post Luchell! I think the fact that Mazmw has come in on this one should also act as a timely warning that learner drivers do read the posts and can end up thoroughly confused by the differing methods/situations.

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#32 24-06-09 13:15:18

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Re: Waiting at traffic lights - neutral or 1st

surely neutral handbrake relax.we not on pole position at silverstone.we are talking a split second difference in time moving off

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#33 24-06-09 15:53:34

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Re: Waiting at traffic lights - neutral or 1st

no.... you'll drive other road users crazy if you wait till the lights change then start fumbling with the gears especialy when the lights change quickly..

AND learners are likely to fumble it alll wrong in a panic and then stall it.

It depends on the sitaution and hw far back you are but the best way is for them to be at least PARTLY ready.... and being in neutral at the front is asking for trouble.. It even causes delays whenh so called experienced drivers do it.

I have this image of a queues of ROSPA and IAM drivers at lights during rush hour all in neutral causing an overall sevral second delay as they all expertly put it in gear when the lights change  big_smile

It depends on the sitaution

It depends on the sitaution

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#34 24-06-09 16:14:42

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Re: Waiting at traffic lights - neutral or 1st

(and i think EKAL was joking about turning the engine off.. any one doing that at lights under normal circumstances would be nuts)

:evil: :evil: :evil:

Hmmm, not sure I agree with that - however I do agree with your most recent comments "it depends on situation"
What about cars that have the stop/start technology,  that stop at lights under normal circumstances?

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#35 24-06-09 16:21:23

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Re: Waiting at traffic lights - neutral or 1st

i think it was clear i was talking about turning off the engine manually on purpose by delibrate choice.

Ekal was joking i think about saving fuel when sitting at normal lights which are on red for short times.

I've actually said the same thing through out..... theres no one way of waiting at lights.. but giving learners the extra hassle of putting it in gear (or starting it manually) and all that can then follow unless a way back in the queue is not really helping anyone..

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#36 28-06-09 19:16:06

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Re: Waiting at traffic lights - neutral or 1st

Both ways have their merits.
The best way to decide which is best is to try each method yourselves. See what you prefer. Personally I prefer handbrake and 1st. If at level crossing, secure car and engine off until train passing.

The only drawback I can think of about the handbrake neutral method is if you are at the back of a queue - and this could mean only the second car - is if someone approaching from behind is not on the ball and does not see you stopped, you can't get out of their way as quickly as if you are in gear.

What I find annoys me is when you stop behind someone with 1st gear and footbrake on.


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#37 06-07-09 22:01:25

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Re: Waiting at traffic lights - neutral or 1st

I preffer 1st then hand brake. If the lights change as you are selecting your gear,you are ready to go. It keeps the operation of the handbrake much more efficient.


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#38 07-07-09 04:35:02

ExAdiNigel
Member
From: Plymouth, Devon
Registered: 13-12-04
Posts: 4,739

Re: Waiting at traffic lights - neutral or 1st

....The only drawback I can think of about the handbrake neutral method is if you are at the back of a queue - and this could mean only the second car - is if someone approaching from behind is not on the ball and does not see you stopped, you can't get out of their way as quickly as if you are in gear. ....

So don't get close to the vehicle in front and wait in gear (with footbrake on) until cars have pulled up behind you.

Nigel


National Standards Cycling Instructor, Ex Adi

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#39 07-07-09 18:40:48

keith williams
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From: Bangor, Northern Ireland
Registered: 28-08-06
Posts: 458

Re: Waiting at traffic lights - neutral or 1st

Look Assess Decide Act!

Use whichever action is necessary for the given situation. Teach the learner some common sense rather than blindly following set procedures

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