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#76 16-05-09 08:06:01

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

Good Points Kevin. It just shows the bridge that needs to be climbed before anything and lives can be saved.

I wonder if we asked similiar questions to those regarding their academic qualifications what would they say!

The BTEC e-learning has taken on a new design. A2om online Training

We need a massive shift in the way people learn to drive to make this happen.


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#77 18-05-09 16:14:26

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

Hi all,

Are a2om still taking ADI's on ?  I have been onto their site and cannot find anything about this, since they have changed the layout.

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#78 18-05-09 16:22:37

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

Hi,
If you click on the BTEC button, then click on "ADI", then "register as an ADI", it will take you to another form that you fill out as an ADI.  wink

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

Many thanks for that Vandi, I will give it a try later. smile


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#80 28-05-09 11:55:50

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

Well done to Darlington College and Instructors for starting the BTEC in Driving Science

It must be good news when all the hard work comes together.

Anyone on here from that area delivering the course? - would be good to here from you.


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#81 24-06-09 21:50:54

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

Well done to Darlington College and Instructors for starting the BTEC in Driving Science

It must be good news when all the hard work comes together.

Anyone on here from that area delivering the course? - would be good to here from you.

Yes would be good to hear from all those peole that are busy delivering this course as I have yet to hear anybody making a living from this?

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#82 08-07-09 08:48:26

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

Yes would be good to hear from all those peole that are busy delivering this course as I have yet to hear anybody making a living from this?

I cannot speak for others, as Im still very much in the early stages of addressing the BTEC, and the courses/package provided by A2om. I realise its potential and what it can do for road safety.

Im not sure about making a living from the BTEC......My intentions were not to get rich, but to put safe drivers on the road. I earn my living from the lessons fees I charge, safe drivers are produced from the way I teach.

The reality is, those that drive or will drive safely are the ones that take further training and their training seriously. Ive just finished a Pass Plus with a pupil who received 2 DF's on their test. Another is due to start soon.......I can remember their training, they hardly ever mentioned the driving test, just got on with the lessons.

Feedback I receive is that pupils are really looking for something else, they are just pigeon holed into taking a driving test, because thats whats needed, they know no different, their parents certainly know no difference and just want to pass the test, the rest is over for them.

The trouble is no one wants to make that first move....Its like an instructor not wanting to charge more than the big national schools, no one wants to start the ball rolling. What we want is the BTEC available to every pupil, everyone having the opportunity to take the course with no boundaries, what we dont want are boxes being ticked and the motions being done just to get the certificate.

I know its not answering your question, but you did quite me above.


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#83 12-11-09 22:20:46

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Re: a2om - btec driving science


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#84 13-11-09 13:25:18

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Re: a2om - btec driving science


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#85 15-11-09 23:06:12

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

So a year on from the start of this thread and the media story's in Ireland are the same as those in England a year ago when this thread started, yet knowbody has come on to this thread demonstrating any take up of this course.

How many clients have you had through this course Target in these 12 months?

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#86 15-11-09 23:28:10

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

My situation is possibly different to others, as my main concern on a daily basic is actually trying to find pupils who want driving lessons, let alone those wanting to spend more time and money doing further training and testing.

So im not a very good indicator of whats happening overall.

Most my clients come to me from having already taken some training, they are well through their training and close to test standard, and or either struggling with one or two aspects of their driving.

Whilst these clients can start the BTEC, its a little harder playing catchup.

However....Ive done alot of work publicising the BTEC, and still continue to do the same, so the advantages are made clear to everyone.

As yet personally ive had no one take up the BTEC, but since im still learning myself its a good thing. Id fast track that learning if I needed, but my priority is income, and staying in business.


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#87 15-11-09 23:39:54

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

Thanks Target, I suspected as much!

Not knocking the concept, great idea but people do not have the money / are not convinced of the need to do this course and spend that amount of money to get their licence.

Sorry but until the course is taken on by the DSA as the standard route to getting a licence it simply isn't going to take off.

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#88 16-11-09 08:38:15

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I agree, it was never going to be a walk in the park.

We are lazy people ( well, not all of us, but given the chance most of us will sit down and do nothing ), so if theres an easier route to getting the licence people will take it.

As you know for a long time lessons have and still are sold on passing a driving test, often cheaply and quickly because we perceive that our customers want the lioence. But i think given the chance most would want to live long and prosper.

Its not easy...Driving is a very touchey subject, you cannot be seen to be driving safely, safely is not cool, taking more than 40 hours training means your an idiot.

Ive had pupils fail the theory test recently, they have asked me for help before so Ive suggested they buy the e-learning package for £24.99, they dont take me up on the offer and would sooner pay another £31.00 to the DSA, and then frantickly buy DVD's and Theory books.  Its as thou they go deaf when I mention anything that costs money!.......Mention the driving test and they find the cash.Work that one out.

If I had to be honest I do not think this profession in the UK is ready for a national ciriculum like the BTEC....If it was out sourced to every ADi, we would have the same problems we have with Pass Plus.

I do not know how different the BTEC is being monitored in Ireland.

Each to their own. Perhaps the other forum members can confirm whether they have started to sell the BTEC to their customers yet and whats their takeup.


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#89 19-11-09 12:30:34

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

I think we have sold about 5 BTECs. A Couple of them have now passed.

News is that the software will be rolled out to every school kid in UK for free soon. Sponsored by someone - possibly the AA. But don't quote me on that.

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#90 24-11-09 07:07:25

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

As an AA Instructor I can confirm that the AA are working In Partnership with A2om and are therefore going to get the pupils that sign up to it, if and when they do!

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#91 24-11-09 14:44:49

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

Afternoon G'Day

This is getting interesting!

Have the AA put all their ADIs through the BTEC training day to enable them to become a2om affiliate instructors?

Or will they, only when a pupil signs up?

Are you also able confirm that pupils, in receipt of the higher rate mobility allowance, can only claim assistance with the cost of driving lessons, if these are taken with an AA instructor?

I'm not knocking the AA, you understand. Some of my best friends started life with the school! wink

The Ford Focus is a great car, not sure about the AA logos mind you! big_smile

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#92 24-11-09 15:26:20

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

I think this is an excellent idea aswell in reality-but I do note this was started some 4 years ago and was exclusive to franchised instructors of a20m driving audi training cars and courses cost somewhere in the realm of £3000. now it seems to be a watered down version of selling a btec course for £175-pass plus ring any bells.

Correct me if im wrong but did a2om find out there wasnt enough call for its larger priced courses.


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#93 25-11-09 08:14:04

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

Green light the AA has offerred the course to all its instructors charging them a fee to do it. That said the fee is significantly lower than was being asked for before the AA became a partner. Can't give you any info about the mobility issue I'm afraid.

Captain Hook you are absolutely right this course seems to have been about for a while now and as I have indicated in previous posts on this thread it really has a limited market ie those with money which is why those on here that are signed up to do it have not had many customers sign up for it!

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#94 25-11-09 08:45:22

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I do not totally agree with your last point.

People have the money, how else would they afford to run the car.

The problem in my opinion stems from the overall attitude towards driving. How often have you had a pupil promise to do pass plus only to say that after the driving test they drove on the motorway and felt fine. They want the licence, many are not interested in safe driving at the moment.

You could compare it to instructors. How many are happy to sit around doing nothing after they pass their part 3? How many just want to get the licence? Im amazed at how many Part 2 or 3 candidates I talk to on the phone who are not interested inbecoming a good instructor, they just want the licence and think it all comes together.

Of course there would be restrictions to some persons budget, but its making it clear that the savings long term are of benefit to everyone.

I think personally some of the problems come from the marketing overall of the product. Its been turned into a online learning package. Which initself is above anything on the market at the moment, so people are not totally buying into the BTEC course package.

What will be interesting is if the AA bring this on for every pupil and subsidise it or leave it to the instructors themselves to sell it in the car.

Personally if its the later I think people will have the same problem many independents - like myself have and its selling the product to pupils when you have a very small budget and resources to play with. Not to mention no pupils to sell it to. big_smile neutral


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#95 25-11-09 21:32:33

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

...and from a business (our!) making £30 out of this when I can do a Pass Plus make a lot more and teach by experience on the road and active presentation. It's not about simply selling ourselves but raising their understanding and consciousness, that is our job!

This is good for schools and that's where it should go.


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#96 27-11-09 09:32:34

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

La Mon....Im struggling to understand your first point. I must be having a bad week, what with having Noro virus then the flu, now indegestion, I dropped 2 credit cards in the petrol station the other day and did'nt even realise... Its a sign of getting older I think! neutral

On another note. When I attended the BTEC course one of the enthusiastic instructors there was under a franchise for this school.

17plus.co.uk follow the btec links as your notice they have printed the BTEC on their cars, a little step further but perhaps in the right direction.

Perhaps some would want to contact 17+ and ask the question...Im sure they would be willing to help.


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#97 27-11-09 15:44:57

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

I think her point was target £30 for a course aint worth getting hot under the collar for.


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#98 28-11-09 00:30:02

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

Yep, £30 for me to deliver a course for which my pupil will pay £180 is not worth my time. I coach my pupils to understand the consequences of their behaviour on the road, peer pressure, road and traffic conditions, vehicle road worthiness, all in real life, in the car. I was teaching them to drive in snow, and when it was pouring with rain, we were driving through puddles at speed to see the effects it had on the car. Driving is a practical skill and I deliver that to the best of my coaching/teaching ability. My aim is always to make THEM realise the consequences of their actions and other road users, it's teaching common sense at times.
And now I aim to put fun back into driving tongue


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#99 29-11-09 00:07:41

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

£175.00 would to some seem alot of money.

Afterall, they are getting a first class instructor ready to teach them to drive, whether they take the BTEC or not.

Is'nt that the whole point of the course...Those willing to go that extra mile are getting the online e-learning package, the qualification from Edexcel and paying something towards the thousands/if not millions of pounds put into getting the product on the market.

Personally whether I got £0.00, £30, or £300 i'd beleive in the product and still do.

On another note.

I see there a BTEC in Driving Skills available......Anyone know more about this?


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#100 29-11-09 09:16:26

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Re: a2om - btec driving science

Where I agree with you that the course is great, looking at the reality of anyone actually perceiving it form their point of view as such is another thing. We have a hard enough job delivering the "driving safe for life" not simply "I want my licence now" (without ability).
Our (mine anyway) job is to tap into our pupils consciousness and allowing them to make their decision as to why they better become a good driver aware of the consequences of their behavior on the road or the inability to drive well, without them spending additional 175 for what is effectively computer course. I personally am looking to find a way to integrate work and play together wink Make learning fun and learn more. wink


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