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#1 01-08-08 16:29:49

Mat_Leeke
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Right Reverse

Hi all.

I was back on the right reverse today with just over 2 weeks to my pt3 test and was having real problems keeping the right distance from the curb. I really struggle with the fact that as an instructor you are totally blind of the curb on that side of the car and it's hard to get a suitably understood answer from the pupil. Do any of you have any tips on working out the distance from the curb during the turn phase? I'm fine before and after.

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#2 01-08-08 17:15:09

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Re: Right Reverse

Hi

I haven't a clue, i'veonly done 1 part 3 lesson so far. I'm sure you'll get loads of help from the more experienced ADI's though. smile


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#3 01-08-08 17:22:16

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Re: Right Reverse

You know the reference point you give customers on the left reverse (out the rear quarterlight and through the rear window)?

It's now your reference point for the right reverse!

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#4 01-08-08 17:51:08

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Re: Right Reverse

I have frog eye mirrors these are excellent for right reverse you can see all from the instructors' seat.

Even a pathetic woman can fit them [especially when you've had three differnt tuition cars in the last month]   roll

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#5 01-08-08 18:29:44

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Re: Right Reverse

Does the rear quarter light window help during the turn though or is this good just for the point of turn? I actually use the turn in the curb disapearing out of the rear windscreen as point of turn.

And thanks about the mirror, I do have one of those on the passenger side but not on the drivers


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#6 01-08-08 18:37:10

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Re: Right Reverse

I'll admit that this was a slightly facetious statement, the point being that any reference points you suggest for your customers when they do the left reverse will work for you as a passenger during the right reverse.

I would like to say that reference points which aren't there any more tend to lead to trouble ("the curb disappearing out of the rear windscreen") as they could overshoot and think they're fine.

Find positive reference points - not negative ones.

With regards to distance, as long as you're not actually obstructing traffic more than necessary then don't worry if you're 1 foot or 2 feet away. From the passenger side on the RR you can tell if you're sticking out more than is needed.

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#7 01-08-08 18:55:44

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Re: Right Reverse

Oh I see, so if I suggested say the curb being lined up with the rear wiper for instance and follow that around the curb then that would work for me on the right reverse. That makes a lot of sense and seems to simple now you've said it as well! Thank you! I will give this a try!


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#8 01-08-08 20:17:15

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Re: Right Reverse

Just wanted to say thanks again. I've just been out and tried it and although it needs more work it's helped no end!


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#9 07-08-08 19:49:11

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Re: Right Reverse

Hi Mat,  I've recently changed trainer having failed first part 3 attempt. His method for dealing with right reverse as follows. When positioning past new road ensure half metre (drain width) from kerb, wheels straight, parallel to kerb etc. Kerb should now dissect right door mirror in half. Get pupil to stop every half car length and adjust steering to keep kerb in centre of mirror. also having circular blind spot mirror on right gives additional help. Obviously you need to ensure pupil is carrying out regular good all round observation as well, but at least by getting him to stop every half car length you are slowing the process down and giving him time to fit it all in.

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#10 07-08-08 20:09:11

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Re: Right Reverse

Thanks bob, this method makes a lot of sense! I will give it a go as well!


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#11 07-08-08 20:28:41

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Re: Right Reverse

I have frog eye mirrors these are excellent for right reverse you can see all from the instructors' seat.

Even a pathetic woman can fit them [especially when you've had three differnt tuition cars in the last month]   roll

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I also have these, they are great when set up from pass seat to view down the side of the car smile

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#12 03-09-08 22:02:02

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Re: Right Reverse

Hi mat, Which ref point do you get your pups to use when you line em up to emerge right from a junction? I usually get em to use that same ref point which means the should be the right starting distance from the kerb, make sure they're straight too. Get em to transfer knowledge from previous lessons (if they've done any reversing that is) e.g. straight line reverse point is gonna be on the other side probably 1/4 along the back window or thereabouts. My part3 test was pst 4 reverrse to the right, and the se kept drifting towards the kerb, I couldn't work out why at first then on the second attempt I spotted he wasn't straight. I'd also say know your car. which ref point do you use for a left reverse just before the you put on the lock, mine is a wee fiesta and my ref point is the back corner of the left rear quarter light so I transfer that to the hot seat and use the back corner of the right rear quarter light window, works every time. I can also use this ref point to see if they're getting too close or drifting from the kerb. once you get em round the corner its just another straight line reverse. Hope this helps


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#13 09-09-08 04:10:34

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Re: Right Reverse

hi there wt kind of car are u driving ive been told the best way to keep the same distance is ask them to open the window an on the corsa where the side looks like it touches the kerb keep this distance al round the corner theres no need 4 any other ref points apart from the straightenting up bit hope this helps

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#14 09-09-08 05:56:06

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Re: Right Reverse

keep it simple, pupils rarely understand reference points in quarterlights! In a van (the only real sensible vehicle to do right reverse) there isnt a quarterlight anyway. Use right door mirror if the kerb move right steer right, if it moves left steer left! keep it in centre keep it simple!


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#15 22-09-08 18:43:28

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Re: Right Reverse

Just a thought - usually the drivers door handle (probably just visible in the drivers side wing mirror) is an excellent reference point for the pupil to use.  You can stop him or check with him (her)on the move and ask them to show you how far away they are (with their hands).  Even get them to open the door to check if things get tricky.  Dont worry about getting them to use the wing mirror as long as there are plenty of all round observations as well. 

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