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#1 09-06-08 21:05:06

Manda
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How Long Before 1st Check Test?

Hi All

Passed Part 3 end of June last year, but haven't received an invitation for a check test.  Do I wait indefinately or reluctantly contact the DSA? 

Anybody any other information?  :?

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#2 09-06-08 21:06:56

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Re: How Long Before 1st Check Test?

Hi

I passed at the end of June then done the Fleet course in Sept and have just had my letter for the check test.

Every area is different though depending on demand

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#3 09-06-08 21:45:47

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Re: How Long Before 1st Check Test?

Most areas try to get within first year. Can be a lot longer, know one ADI who didn't get one until 5 years after qualifying. Several I know didn't get one for 2-3 years.

If it's been a year since you qualified your first check test should be graded not educational.

Wouldn't worry about it, they'll get round to you.


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#4 10-06-08 18:59:59

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Re: How Long Before 1st Check Test?

Thanx for your replies!

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#5 10-06-08 19:28:17

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Check tests in Macclesfield come round once in a blue moon. I did my last one in Macc 6 years ago!

Over 75% are been C/T within 12 months nowadays. You may as well leave it now as it will be beyond 12 months. Once you go beyond a year its often 2 years plus.


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#6 12-06-08 09:27:21

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Re: How Long Before 1st Check Test?

Most areas try to get within first year. Can be a lot longer, know one ADI who didn't get one until 5 years after qualifying. Several I know didn't get one for 2-3 years.

If it's been a year since you qualified your first check test should be graded not educational.

Wouldn't worry about it, they'll get round to you.

Got mine on monday, passed in sept. Will mine be educational? If so, when will my next one be? will they give me an unofficial grade?

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#7 12-06-08 09:45:11

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There is a lot of misconception about an "educational" check test.
If you are invited for a check test within 12 months of qualifying your aim is to get graded 4 or above. If your teaching method is deemed as sub-standard you will be graded an "E" which means educational and you will be given the opportunity to improve and normally requested for another check test within 3 months.

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#8 12-06-08 11:04:14

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So if I get 6, is this my new grade?


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#9 12-06-08 11:35:59

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Re: How Long Before 1st Check Test?

As vanda says above, that is the official line. However several ADI's I know have said that on their first check test the sheet has already been marked E before the check test has begun. So the SE has no intention of grading them regardless of how well or badly they do. Many ADI's I know only got educational on their first check test even though in the de brief they seemed to have done quite well.

Your first check test SHOULD be graded, provided it is 4 or above. Some SE's seem to do things differently though. Perhaps some of the misconception is harboured by SE's as well.

If you are graded on your C/T then that is indeed your new grade.


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#10 12-06-08 11:44:26

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Re: How Long Before 1st Check Test?

So if I get 6, is this my new grade?

There is no such thing as an "unofficial" grade. Until your first checktest, you are ungraded. At the end of your check test, the DTAM (SE-ADI) will inform you of your grade and give you a form (ADI-26CT) which will confirm (in writing) what he told you.


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#11 12-06-08 12:04:48

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Re: How Long Before 1st Check Test?

Neil just to clarify- The LAST result you want on C/T if taken within 12 months is a grade 4! Any other is good.

SE's do not grade before C/T. And if you saw this do not go any further with it!
The SE can only give you the grade AFTER discussion on your performance.

Alot of Sh it is talked by ADI's trying to make up for their own deficencies. Dont believe test centre gossip.


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#12 12-06-08 12:13:39

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Re: How Long Before 1st Check Test?

As vanda says above, that is the official line. However several ADI's I know have said that on their first check test the sheet has already been marked E before the check test has begun. So the SE has no intention of grading them regardless of how well or badly they do. Many ADI's I know only got educational on their first check test even though in the de brief they seemed to have done quite well.

Your first check test SHOULD be graded, provided it is 4 or above. Some SE's seem to do things differently though. Perhaps some of the misconception is harboured by SE's as well.

If you are graded on your C/T then that is indeed your new grade.

If what you state is indeed true, then the SE-ADIs are directly contravening what is required in the ADI-1.

The instructions are crystal clear.

[quote author=DSA ADI-1]4.18 CHECK-TEST RESULTS
All ADI’s will be advised at the conclusion of their check test of your assessment e.g. Grades 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, or E.
An ADI who is assessed as sub-standard, that is grade 1, 2, 3, or E, should be clearly told at some stage during the debrief that their instruction is not at an acceptable level. They should also be told that a letter explaining the weakness will follow and that they will be seen again in approximately two months (grade 2) or three months (grade 3). Grade E should be seen before first 12month period is up.

[quote author=DSA ADI-1]You should assess and mark each of the items listed, which form a six point rating scale and from this you will be able to make the overall assessment of the lesson you have seen. It is important that you assess the individual items within each section, BEFORE you make your overall assessment. The core competencies should be completed before entering the "level of instruction". The grade will be that of the lowest mark within the core competencies. The grading should not be entered until after the debrief.

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#13 12-06-08 18:30:13

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Re: How Long Before 1st Check Test?

SE's do not grade before C/T. And if you saw this do not go any further with it!


An educational is not a grade.

Alot of Sh it is talked by ADI's trying to make up for their own deficencies. Dont believe test centre gossip.

Too true. Mainly by all the grade 6's (there do seem to be an awful lot of them). Oddly most of the 4&5's at my T/C seem to talk more sense.


If what you state is indeed true, then the SE-ADIs are directly contravening what is required in the ADI-1.

Shock horror. Where exactly is this utopian world where everybody is perfect and does things by the book? Is it the same one where there are no ego's, nobody is on a power trip and nobody thinks they know better.
Presumably it's the same place where all the little robots live as well, those that live by must, will, and all those other rigid little words.

Thanks but I'll stick to the real world where it's a little bit more should, may and all those slightly more flexible little words. Even the ADI-1 uses those  smile


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#14 12-06-08 18:58:01

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Re: How Long Before 1st Check Test?

Tony do you really believe ADI's who tell you they were graded (Or not) before C/T ?
I dont need telling an E isnt a grade thankyou


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#15 12-06-08 20:35:24

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Re: How Long Before 1st Check Test?

Tony do you really believe ADI's who tell you they were graded (Or not) before C/T ?
I dont need telling an E isnt a grade thankyou


Never said they were

However several ADI's I know have said that on their first check test the sheet has already been marked E before the check test has begun.


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#16 13-06-08 22:23:47

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Re: How Long Before 1st Check Test?

Done some further enquiries for you neil.

DSA adopted procedures are, check test within 6 months of qualifying should normally be educational in nature.
Check test between 6 and 12 months of qualifying may be educational or graded, normally decided by SE at end of check test.
Check test 12 months or more after qualifying as per ADI 1

If an ADI has been on the Register for 12 months without an educational visit it is reasonable to assume that they will have gained experience during this time and in these circumstances they should be assessed according to the stated criteria and given the appropriate grade.

Since it is 9 months since you qualified, you may be graded or you may be given an educational. Do not view an E as substandard. Substandard would be a 1, 2 or 3. All an E would mean in your case is the SE does not think you have enough experience yet for him to give you an accurate grade. If he gives an E then all he is doing is putting any weaknesses in instruction down to inexperience rather than inability.


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#17 29-08-08 06:27:45

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Re: How Long Before 1st Check Test?

Cheers Tony, that makes me feel better as I got a educational 3 months ago and all this sub-standard talk was getting me worried. Next one in 3 weeks time:(

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#18 29-08-08 06:29:21

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Re: How Long Before 1st Check Test?

Actually think it's longer than 3 months ago, how come it takes so long to get your next one?

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#19 29-08-08 21:34:50

shelim
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Re: How Long Before 1st Check Test?

Hello Everyone
I had my first check test about 3 month ago after 2 years I came out with grade 5

Now reading some of your comment I'm confused because when you read instructors handbook or Dsa website I can see you get grade from 1 to 6 so where does that E grade come in had anyone had one?

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#20 29-08-08 21:50:09

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Re: How Long Before 1st Check Test?

The DSA document ADI1 (page 70, section 4.18) entitled CHECK TEST RESULTS gives you the full info on where the E grade comes in and if you do a search on this forum you will also find several threads where ADIs have received an E grade. http://www.drivertrainingtoday.co.uk/fo … 832.0.html
http://www.dsa.gov.uk/Documents/publica … cument.pdf

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