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#1 27-01-08 00:19:28

infectedcat
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Making your car roar

i can’t believe that simply changing your air filter can make the sound of your car almost sound sportier. so iv just bought a 190 quid air filter made out of aluminium, after installing it i switched the engine on and the living room window vibrated and shook as if there was an earth quake.

the sound of the engine has gone from a normal sounding to a monster that seems like its consuming the petrol on start up. iv probably added about 400 quid on top of the cars value.





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#2 27-01-08 01:13:46

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Re: Making your car roar

doe's the new air filter now mean you can leave a Reliant Robin standing at the traffic lights? tongue


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#3 27-01-08 07:41:10

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Re: Making your car roar

the sound of the engine has gone from a normal sounding to a monster that seems like its consuming the petrol on start up. iv probably added about 400 quid on top of the cars value.

You've probably decreased its value by £400.
Apart from efficiency issues and possibility of both short and long term damage being caused to the engine and other parts (CAT Conv. for one, if the car has one).
The adaption you have made is most likely in contravention of your insurance policy unless you notify them of the modifications.

Your post has brought back memories of many hours tinkering with my bikes and cars in my teens and twenties.

Webbers and Microns......ahhhh those were the days.  Noise and needless expenses, but we were happy in our ignorance. lol.


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#4 27-01-08 12:10:22

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Re: Making your car roar

Does anyone remember the real old days when being cool (or was it "hip"?) was to have a foxtail flying from your  wireless aerial, little fake chromed air-intakes on the side of your bonnet, white-wall crossply tyres (real hip) with hubcaps made to look like spoked wheels and, the hip-cat accessory of them all: chromed fan-shaped exhaust extensions with little red button reflectors, and the top lip turned down to catch the exhaust stream making a rasping noise ("Boy! just listen to that sporty Minor! Bet it's good for 70mph at least!" etc etc.").
Oh yes and a nodding-head fuzzy animal on the back parcel shelf, or little pompoms attached to the inside edge of the window.

Hi infectedcat.
Be careful with your car now, it will be a natural police-magnet.

Seriously, sporting accessories will only attract a very small section of the used-car buyer demographic, and this group are not the type to have much money to spend. Most people will consider the car to have been flogged hard by the previous owner.
Also, used-car yards rarely add the value of accessories to a vehicle's price.


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#5 27-01-08 16:16:32

infectedcat
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Re: Making your car roar

You've probably decreased its value by £400.

Apart from efficiency issues and possibility of both short and long term damage being caused to the engine and other parts

hahahaha LOL, your so funny dimmy. how on earth can air damage a cars engine. its only an air filter, an air filter that has been designed differently.

The adaption you have made is most likely in contravention of your insurance policy unless you notify them of the modifications.

its like saying once you have changed your oil in your car notify the insurance. i mean come on its an air filter its not like iv change the wheels or added a rear spoiler.

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#6 27-01-08 16:23:43

infectedcat
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Re: Making your car roar

Hi infectedcat.
Be careful with your car now, it will be a natural police-magnet.

Seriously, sporting accessories will only attract a very small section of the used-car buyer demographic, and this group are not the type to have much money to spend. Most people will consider the car to have been flogged hard by the previous owner.
Also, used-car yards rarely add the value of accessories to a vehicle's price.

hi zip, the only thing iv changed is the sound of the air that goes through the filter. police only stop you if the gadgets in there car tell them that your dodgy i.e number plate recognition.

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#7 27-01-08 17:19:42

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Re: Making your car roar

hi
If, after you have gone down a road, anyone standing on the pavement at the side of that road can remember anything about your car and the way it is being driven (unless they are petrol heads themselves of course) then you have impinged on their environment, which is something we should strive to avoid.

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#8 27-01-08 18:34:28

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Re: Making your car roar

Dimmy has given you good advice.

Your new air intake (filter) is not designed to filter out small particles that the original fitting was efficient in doing. Your original fitting was specifically tuned to your model car for best efficiency and economy. Small particles will now enter your engine and act like sandpaper against touching surfaces i.e. pistons, cylinder walls, valves etc. and could rapidly cause wear to your engine. In addition you will get worse economy and possibly your car will fail emission tests at MOT time.

Your car is no longer as supplied by the factory, you will have already confirmed to the insurance company that it is, on your proposal form. If a claim is made against your insurance and the car is not found to conform to details provided on your proposal, you may find that the insurance is 'null and void. No insurance cover!

I would suggest you reconsider your views.

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#9 27-01-08 18:35:22

infectedcat
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Re: Making your car roar

hi
If, after you have gone down a road, anyone standing on the pavement at the side of that road can remember anything about your car and the way it is being driven (unless they are petrol heads themselves of course) then you have impinged on their environment, which is something we should strive to avoid.

"impinged on there environment" ermm i do not think so pegasus. what your sugesting is that im having an affect on other ppls environment. Its an air filter, an object that cleans the air that mixes with petrol. this air filter i have maybe modified but its modified to enhance the noise of the vehicle its not modified to increase power of the vehicle. now i drive of a day so noise pollution isnt a problem. infact if you where to hear the engine in my car now you would want my car in your environment.

what i will do tho is phone the insurance to see if your right? and if you are it may only go up a couple a quid.

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#10 27-01-08 22:31:16

Luchell
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Re: Making your car roar

I don't think it would matter if every member on here gave the same advice, i am sure you wouldn't listen or would be adament you were right   roll Dimmy and Pegasus and Keefidee know what they are talking about.


Couldn't agree with your more Zipper on your post.

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#11 27-01-08 22:48:13

EKAL
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Re: Making your car roar

this air filter i have maybe modified but its modified to enhance the noise of the vehicle

WHY would you want a noisier vehicle?


I can never understand the balloons that drive by me in a car that sound like its a F1, to see its a weeeeeee 1ltr corsa, ha ha ha , so it sounds "cool"(yeah to all the other balloons) just looks and sound stupid to me.
I do like the cars that are all customised, BUT, to make them noisier - WHATS THE POINT?????????


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#12 27-01-08 22:54:00

Leprechaun
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Re: Making your car roar

infectedcat wrote:

this air filter i have maybe modified but its modified to enhance the noise of the vehicle

WHY would you want a noisier vehicle?


I can never understand the balloons that drive by me in a car that sound like its a F1, to see its a weeeeeee 1ltr corsa, ha ha ha , so it sounds "cool"(yeah to all the other balloons) just looks and sound stupid to me.
I do like the cars that are all customised, BUT, to make them noisier - WHATS THE POINT?????????

LOL love your description - "balloons"  big_smile big_smile big_smile big_smile

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#13 27-01-08 23:11:39

infectedcat
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Re: Making your car roar

WHY would you want a noisier vehicle?

its not about making it "NOISER" it about tuning. Just like a piano needs tuning otherwise each note would sound out of tune. but in this type of case, meaning what i want which is a better sounding engine. More roar by just using air.


i believe my attitude towards my car is something every one should adopt.

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#14 27-01-08 23:14:26

infectedcat
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Posts: 202

Re: Making your car roar

I don't think it would matter if every member on here gave the same advice, i am sure you wouldn't listen or would be adament you were right   roll Dimmy and Pegasus and Keefidee know what they are talking about.


Couldn't agree with your more Zipper on your post.

i just dont agree with there opinions.

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#15 27-01-08 23:23:27

EKAL
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Re: Making your car roar

i believe my attitude towards my car is something every one should adopt.

NAW, NAY CHANCE etc etc................... why would you want a noisier car, when everyone else wants less noise?
I cant stand the couple of nuggets that drive by my house each night on way home with loud sounding engines, the only thing that keeps me sane about this is, the knowledge that my 17 year old daughter in her 1ltr Punto is safer, more fuel efficient, better for the environment and can still look "cool" to the balloons that think NOISE is cool, please get a life, grow up and move on infected.........


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#16 28-01-08 03:49:36

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Re: Making your car roar

Many people don't seem to realise that a simple change to the car will make a difference to your insurance. If you changed your alloy wheels, that is a non-standard fitting to that car, therefore your insurance company will want to know. If you tint your windows, it is a non-standard modification and they would require notification.
Every change you make, whether it be mechanical or in many cases cosmetic, MUST be passed on to your insurance so they can check there is no additional cost in insuring you for accidents.
Even if you disagree with what we're all saying and think we're talking ****, please contact your insurance anyway. How would you feel if you were to have an accident (even through no fault of your own), and god forbid seriously injure yourself or someone else, only to find out that your insurance company would not pay out for your or their injuries because you wanted your car to sound better?
All we're doing is suggesting you make one call to them to check!

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#17 28-01-08 17:35:22

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Re: Making your car roar

The design of the air filter is such that the manufacturers know it's resistance to air passing though it, hence it's effect on the air/fuel mixture as controlled by the ECU.

If you put a non-standard air filter on, the resistance it provides to air flow may well be different to normal, in fact it is the changed air flow which produces the different tone.

The changed air flow MAY alter the air/fuel ratio as the ECU will not be able to adjust to the non-standard part. If it makes the ratio richer, unburned fuel will enter the Cat and will destroy it over time.  If it makes the ratio leaner you may get overheating and damage to valves and pistons.

If you change the air filter at least have the sense to get the mixture checked and adjusted by a reputable garage.

Not sure how long you have been driving, but many on here have been driving for decades. Tuning is not new, it is not a recent invention, we have been doing it for years and have learnt the hard way that every change has a down side!

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#18 28-01-08 20:27:55

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Re: Making your car roar

Just to add a little meat to my earlier comments about filtration/ induction systems. I worked for a decade in a major filtration company specialising in R & D in automotive and MOD systems for air intakes in domestic and hostile environments. The range of vehicles ranged from Mini's to Chieftain Tanks and helicopters to fighter planes. I think I understand the problem and repercussions of incorrect decisions - however in this case, Infected Cat I bow to your superior knowledge.   roll

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#19 29-01-08 21:29:01

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Re: Making your car roar

well i phoned the insurance yesterday and it seems as tho some of you are right (which does surprise me).  my insurance will go up because of the change. however it went up by a couple of quid and not by much. its the last time i do another modification tho not worth the hassle.

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#20 29-01-08 21:49:40

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Re: Making your car roar

that couple of quid extra has potentially saved you a lot in the long run - the fact that it did put your premium up means they would of almost definitely refused to pay out in the event of an accident without being notified.

Andy


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#21 29-01-08 21:52:03

pegasus
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Re: Making your car roar

hi

infectedcat wrote:

i believe my attitude towards my car is something every one should adopt.

NAW, NAY CHANCE etc etc................... why would you want a noisier car, when everyone else wants less noise?

Well said, I don't even want to hear the radio stereo from cars that pass by.
If it can be heard outside it is too loud, they should be stopped and their cars confiscated and crushed. :evil: big_smile :evil: big_smile

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#22 29-01-08 22:52:31

la.monikita
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Re: Making your car roar

hi

EKAL wrote:
infectedcat wrote:

i believe my attitude towards my car is something every one should adopt.

NAW, NAY CHANCE etc etc................... why would you want a noisier car, when everyone else wants less noise?

Well said, I don't even want to hear the radio stereo from cars that pass by.
If it can be heard outside it is too loud, they should be stopped and their cars confiscated and crushed. :evil: big_smile :evil: big_smile

geez you sound old tongue tongue


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#23 29-01-08 23:02:38

gday
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Re: Making your car roar

it seems as tho some of you are right (which does surprise me).

We are not surpried that you were wrong again!

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#24 29-01-08 23:05:52

la.monikita
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From: SE LONDON / KENT
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Re: Making your car roar

well i phoned the insurance yesterday and it seems as tho some of you are right (which does surprise me).  my insurance will go up because of the change. however it went up by a couple of quid and not by much. its the last time i do another modification tho not worth the hassle.

imagine the young queen trying to rule a country, having people of wisdom and experience speak, treating them with contempt and lack of respect...the young "Adlofa tongue"...education...education...<$hite some people should be kept in the dark and not taught how to speak! Lisa Dolittle she's not  roll


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#25 29-01-08 23:27:21

Dimmy
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Re: Making your car roar

Hi Infected Cat,
Glad to have assisted. smile

Feel free to seek our advice in the future, you never know, you might find more of it useful smile

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