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#51 31-12-07 18:59:33

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Re: CCTV

happy reading
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed-circuit_television

AND A HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL big_smile


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#52 31-12-07 19:02:58

VandADI
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Re: CCTV

VandADI wrote:

I have the facts to back my answer infectedcat, I have a document right here infront of me to prove it.   have you?

yes but are thos answers you can back up relevant to my question on cctv?

Yes.  Can you back your answers (whatever they may be) seems like you want something for nothing as you are not prepared to share your views/opinions on your own question.

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#53 31-12-07 19:07:41

infectedcat
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Re: CCTV

Yes.  Can you back your answers (whatever they may be) seems like you want something for nothing as you are not prepared to share your views/opinions on your own question.

indeed i can. infact la.monikita has done it for me. you will see no mention of cctv being used for speeding jumping of red lights and road tax dodgers.

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#54 31-12-07 19:15:31

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Re: CCTV

Get your facts right infected.
The tax dodgers post was made at your request wishing to know what ANPR was.
I think you should change your username to confusedcat  big_smile

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#55 31-12-07 19:19:48

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Re: CCTV

g'day wrote:

there is only one joke i can think of. happy new year to you gday and i hope your profits go up just dont over charge your pupils next year to reach that profit margin. regards

When you are old enough to get a job, you may one day realize when someone explains it to, you that we are all working to make a profit ie earn a living.

If you had not noticed the cost of petrol has increased dramatically since the summer, month on month, so my current profits at the end of the year are less than they were at the start of the year so yes my customers will be paying more for their lessons next year but my profit is unlikely to be higher without working more hours. I am not a voluntary service I am working to earn a living, you look at the cost of any other service and a driving lesson is really not that expensive, my half an hour with my Osteopath costs much more than my price per hour but I am happy to pay a) because I want the service and b) because I am pleased with the service I get, rather like my customers!

Happy New Year.

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#56 31-12-07 19:24:35

VandADI
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Re: CCTV

Infectedcat, I have taken a quote from the link La Mon posted.

CCTV is often used for surveillance in areas which need monitoring, such as banks, casinos, airports, military installations and convenience stores

Q.  Why do you think this is done?
A.  To reduce crime.

This was my answer a while back.  How does this answer differ from yours?
I guess it doesn't and your posts were intended as a windup.
When you have saved up enough pocket money, I suggest you go out and buy a book called "How to win friends and influence them".  wink

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#57 31-12-07 19:44:42

infectedcat
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Posts: 202

Re: CCTV

Infectedcat, I have taken a quote from the link La Mon posted.

CCTV is often used for surveillance in areas which need monitoring, such as banks, casinos, airports, military installations and convenience stores

Q.  Why do you think this is done?
A.  To reduce crime.

This was my answer a while back.  How does this answer differ from yours?
I guess it doesn't and your posts were intended as a windup.
When you have saved up enough pocket money, I suggest you go out and buy a book called "How to win friends and influence them".  wink

ok so now we both agree that what i was on about was right. that cctv is there for crime etc thank you

no wind ups intend.

how to win friends? and this is done by not stating fact?

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#58 31-12-07 20:11:06

VandADI
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From: Coulsdon, Surrey
Registered: 29-02-04
Posts: 7,592

Re: CCTV

ok so now we both agree that what i was on about was right. that cctv is there for crime etc thank you

Can you direct me to the post where you have agreed with me that cctv is there for crime etc., ?
Also if you do agree with me, why have you stated, and I quote :

its not a good conclusion people would want to hear so i best just keep it to myself untill i get the awnser im looking for

.
Why is crime reduction not a good conclusion?
Also, I had given you the answer yet you claim you were still looking for the answer?

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#59 31-12-07 22:32:38

PiperIan
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Re: CCTV

Don't know how I missed this thread but having read it for the first time it seems to be going off all over the place like the fireworks due to go off  at the bells in a couple of hours time.
In my former life, I was in charge of a Police control room equipped by the CCTV cameras you all refer to and perhaps I am in a strong position to sort out all the myths.
CCTV cameras are established in our towns purely for crime prevention and public safety.  They are not to be used for "spying" as many people fear.  We were strictly controlled in the way we used them, for example, you could not use the camera to look through people's windows.
These cameras have proved to be an extremely valuable tool for the Police and have led to many convictions for serious crimes which would normally have gone undetected.
They are not used for checking tax discs.  The DVLA have their own mobile cameras which do that task.
I will be happy to answer any further questions...


I'll never forget Wotzizname !!!

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#60 31-12-07 23:54:42

infectedcat
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Posts: 202

Re: CCTV

Don't know how I missed this thread but having read it for the first time it seems to be going off all over the place like the fireworks due to go off  at the bells in a couple of hours time.
In my former life, I was in charge of a Police control room equipped by the CCTV cameras you all refer to and perhaps I am in a strong position to sort out all the myths.
CCTV cameras are established in our towns purely for crime prevention and public safety.  They are not to be used for "spying" as many people fear.  We were strictly controlled in the way we used them, for example, you could not use the camera to look through people's windows.
These cameras have proved to be an extremely valuable tool for the Police and have led to many convictions for serious crimes which would normally have gone undetected.
They are not used for checking tax discs.  The DVLA have their own mobile cameras which do that task.
I will be happy to answer any further questions...

hi piperian, just what i had thought.

but what about people who speed and red light jumpers? is cctv used for them.

also is cctv used for insurance dodgers?

regards

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#61 01-01-08 00:09:56

VandADI
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From: Coulsdon, Surrey
Registered: 29-02-04
Posts: 7,592

Re: CCTV

[
but what about people who speed and red light jumpers? is cctv used for them.

also is cctv used for insurance dodgers?

regards

The ANPR is used for tax and insurance dodgers, not the CCTV.
GATSO cameras are used for speeders and red light jumpers.
You will also see  mobile casualty reduction units with hand held cameras or on tripods to detect speeders.

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#62 01-01-08 00:19:33

infectedcat
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From: ASDA
Registered: 18-06-07
Posts: 202

Re: CCTV

The ANPR is used for tax and insurance dodgers, not the CCTV.
GATSO cameras are used for speeders and red light jumpers.
You will also see  mobile casualty reduction units with hand held cameras or on tripods to detect speeders.


you didnt say that b4 van. why all of a sudden are you clear in your answer?


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#63 01-01-08 01:25:01

VandADI
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From: Coulsdon, Surrey
Registered: 29-02-04
Posts: 7,592

Re: CCTV

. why all of a sudden are you clear in your answer?

Why, all of a sudden, are you not clear in your answers infectedcat?

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#64 01-01-08 01:49:13

infectedcat
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Re: CCTV

well i cant answer your question if you havent answered mine. but lets leave it at that i think we have gone as far as we can go with the facts of cctv. i also think that i have done my job in getting the facts out on this subject making thos who are worried about big brother less suspicious.


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#65 01-01-08 03:01:33

PiperIan
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Re: CCTV

The ANPR is used for tax and insurance dodgers, not the CCTV.
GATSO cameras are used for speeders and red light jumpers.
You will also see  mobile casualty reduction units with hand held cameras or on tripods to detect speeders.

I can confirm you are quite correct VandADI.... There are all different types of cameras out there but as I said earlier, the town & City cameras are purely for Crime prevention & public safety.  They are mostly recorded and after a crime has been committed, the investigating Police Officer can view the tapes and quite often gather valuable evidence.  They are an amazing tool in crime investigation.

I have seen them being used to identify everything from murderers and rapist down to shoplifters.

To be quite honest infectedcat, the Police do not have the time or resources to use the cameras for motoring offences.  That work is left to the GATSO's.

For those of you who have doubts about "Big Brother" watching, if you are a decent law abiding citizen then there is nothing to worry about.


I'll never forget Wotzizname !!!

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#66 01-01-08 07:26:23

ExAdiNigel
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From: Plymouth, Devon
Registered: 13-12-04
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Re: CCTV

....
i dont think you completely understand the difference from a direct question or a question that is put forward to avoid offending people.
let me make it easy for you nigel Luchell's question is not a direct one. i will let you work the rest out. if you get stuck mail me and i will help you further.

Now there is no need to get patronising!  As to whether you regard this question as a direct question or not depends on how you interpret the word 'direct' doesn't it?  Besides, what difference does it make as to whether the question was direct?  However you interpret it you cannot get away from the FACT that Hayley asked you a question and you misinterpreted it to mean she was telling you something!

Go on, be mature and offer an apology to Hayley for your misinterpretation!

Nigel


National Standards Cycling Instructor, Ex Adi

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#67 01-01-08 16:15:44

infectedcat
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Registered: 18-06-07
Posts: 202

Re: CCTV

infectedcat wrote:

....
i dont think you completely understand the difference from a direct question or a question that is put forward to avoid offending people.
let me make it easy for you nigel Luchell's question is not a direct one. i will let you work the rest out. if you get stuck mail me and i will help you further.

Now there is no need to get patronising!  As to whether you regard this question as a direct question or not depends on how you interpret the word 'direct' doesn't it?  Besides, what difference does it make as to whether the question was direct?  However you interpret it you cannot get away from the FACT that Hayley asked you a question and you misinterpreted it to mean she was telling you something!

Go on, be mature and offer an apology to Hayley for your misinterpretation!

Nigel

"go on be mature"  you say that like im not nigel. my my my nigel what are we going to do with your misjudgement of people.


to apologise to someone requires that the person who is giving the apology has said or done something wrong. which means i dont fit into the category. im sure hayley understands what i meant by direct and just a normal question but will she admit it? possibly not, which is not a problem.

a misinterpretation is based on a misunderstanding of what you think is right which would make me ignorant and possibly closed minded, now for some one like me to be any of thos things would be impossible there for a misinterpretation on my part is not possible.



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#68 01-01-08 16:26:44

Luchell
Verified Member
From: Salisbury
Registered: 12-06-07
Posts: 1,661

Re: CCTV

Oh dear infected cat   roll  roll

IF you were able to read my post correctly you would see i am referring to the fact that you have made a few posts about 'gastos' as you call them (i think you meant GATSO   roll ) Then red light camera's THEN CCTV cameras i was wondering why the need to always ask about such things, i thought perhaps you were out breaking the law then checking you weren't caught by asking what these different cameras etc do (I am still shocked your perfect ADI did not cover such things with you  yikes   roll MY apologies for not making that clear  lol Thankyou Vanda for correctly letting Infected Cat know how i meant my original comment  wink  Also to Nigel for reading it the way it was meant. I will read the other 4 pages now  smile

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#69 01-01-08 16:41:44

Dimmy
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Re: CCTV

Is this link helpful in the pursuit of what CCTV is used for by the Police?
http://www.crimereduction.homeoffice.go … cctv44.htm


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#70 01-01-08 16:56:05

ExAdiNigel
Member
From: Plymouth, Devon
Registered: 13-12-04
Posts: 4,739

Re: CCTV

....
"go on be mature"  you say that like im not nigel. my my my nigel what are we going to do with your misjudgement of people.

There you go again, putting words into the mouths of others.  I have not said you are not mature, but a mature person would apologise for misinterpreting a posting.

infectedcat wrote:

to apologise to someone requires that the person who is giving the apology has said or done something wrong. which means i dont fit into the category. im sure hayley understands what i meant by direct and just a normal question but will she admit it? possibly not, which is not a problem.

a misinterpretation is based on a misunderstanding of what you think is right which would make me ignorant and possibly closed minded, now for some one like me to be any of thos things would be impossible there for a misinterpretation on my part is not possible.

Wow!  What a statement!  Misinterpretations/misunderstandings can be made by anyone.  They don't have to be ignorant or closed-minded.  Anyway - it can be nigh-on impossible to change the mind of someone who has trouble admitting they can be in teh wrong..   So, that's me out of this one, I think I have wasted enough time on this thread.  I have tried to show where and how you misinterpreted Hayley's post, but it appears you can't accept that you are capable of making such a mistake.  Luckily you are in a minority on this forum.  Most of the members on this forum are capable of admitting when they make a mistake and are mature enough to apologise!  Such a shame that this appears to be beyond you.

Nigel


National Standards Cycling Instructor, Ex Adi

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#71 01-01-08 16:58:47

infectedcat
Member
From: ASDA
Registered: 18-06-07
Posts: 202

Re: CCTV

VandADI wrote:

The ANPR is used for tax and insurance dodgers, not the CCTV.
GATSO cameras are used for speeders and red light jumpers.
You will also see  mobile casualty reduction units with hand held cameras or on tripods to detect speeders.

I can confirm you are quite correct VandADI.... There are all different types of cameras out there but as I said earlier, the town & City cameras are purely for Crime prevention & public safety.  They are mostly recorded and after a crime has been committed, the investigating Police Officer can view the tapes and quite often gather valuable evidence.  They are an amazing tool in crime investigation.

I have seen them being used to identify everything from murderers and rapist down to shoplifters.

To be quite honest infectedcat, the Police do not have the time or resources to use the cameras for motoring offences.  That work is left to the GATSO's.

For those of you who have doubts about "Big Brother" watching, if you are a decent law abiding citizen then there is nothing to worry about.

Oh dear infected cat   roll  roll

IF you were able to read my post correctly you would see i am referring to the fact that you have made a few posts about 'gastos' as you call them (i think you meant GATSO   roll ) Then red light camera's THEN CCTV cameras i was wondering why the need to always ask about such things, i thought perhaps you were out breaking the law then checking you weren't caught by asking what these different cameras etc do (I am still shocked your perfect ADI did not cover such things with you  yikes   roll MY apologies for not making that clear  lol Thankyou Vanda for correctly letting Infected Cat know how i meant my original comment  wink  Also to Nigel for reading it the way it was meant. I will read the other 4 pages now  smile



well luch if you check other posts iv made you will see that i havent had my licence for long so im new to the road therefore im  going to ask questions about things i do not understand. im very surprised that you would not know this.


i thought perhaps you were out breaking the law then checking you weren't caught by asking what these different cameras etc

why on earth would anyone want to the above?? if you honestly thought that i was breaking the law then checking i wasnt caught by asking what these different cameras do then i will wonder why you are a moderator on this forum.

i will just assume your being funny (having a laff) because that comment just makes me laff.

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#72 01-01-08 17:05:18

Luchell
Verified Member
From: Salisbury
Registered: 12-06-07
Posts: 1,661

Re: CCTV

I just thought since as you clearly told us your adi was perfect and i would cover these things with my pupils you would have known. You have already stating you had gone through a red light.

I am not having a 'laff' as you put it, personally i have been on this forum long enough for most to know me, I don't believe i have come across anyone as rude as yourself in the entire time i have assisted this site to what it has become thanks to all the mods, admin new and old members alike who are here to talk sense and not be unbelievable rude at the first opportunity they get   roll

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#73 01-01-08 17:05:55

infectedcat
Member
From: ASDA
Registered: 18-06-07
Posts: 202

Re: CCTV

VandADI wrote:

The ANPR is used for tax and insurance dodgers, not the CCTV.
GATSO cameras are used for speeders and red light jumpers.
You will also see  mobile casualty reduction units with hand held cameras or on tripods to detect speeders.

I can confirm you are quite correct VandADI.... There are all different types of cameras out there but as I said earlier, the town & City cameras are purely for Crime prevention & public safety.  They are mostly recorded and after a crime has been committed, the investigating Police Officer can view the tapes and quite often gather valuable evidence.  They are an amazing tool in crime investigation.

I have seen them being used to identify everything from murderers and rapist down to shoplifters.

To be quite honest infectedcat, the Police do not have the time or resources to use the cameras for motoring offences.  That work is left to the GATSO's.

For those of you who have doubts about "Big Brother" watching, if you are a decent law abiding citizen then there is nothing to worry about.

thanx piperian despite the ongoing comments i now understand what cctv is used for.

i will probably ask you more questions because im trying to get a job in cctv with the police.

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#74 01-01-08 17:06:58

VandADI
Administrator
From: Coulsdon, Surrey
Registered: 29-02-04
Posts: 7,592

Re: CCTV

From what I have read, I feel that the OP questions have been answered so perhaps we should all move on now and tend to other more pressing issues.  smile
Posts will be removed if not CCTV related.

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#75 01-01-08 19:34:01

gday
Verified Member
From: Oxfordshire
Registered: 27-04-05
Posts: 531
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Re: CCTV

PiperIan wrote:
VandADI wrote:

im trying to get a job in cctv with the police.

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Oh my God!

You have more chance of making it to the moon

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