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#1 07-06-07 15:23:26

dog
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Power assisted steering

Just a general question really, is it possible to get power steering fitted to a car which doesn't have it?

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#2 07-06-07 15:34:14

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Re: Power assisted steering

You may be able to depending on make and model; but it may well not be cost effective.

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#3 07-06-07 17:18:31

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Re: Power assisted steering

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#4 07-06-07 17:28:35

dog
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Re: Power assisted steering

Thanks for the link Glum. I'm asking on behalf of my mate, his car is a Saxo (W reg I think), and has no power steering which he wanted.

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#5 07-06-07 18:24:41

Michael (in Croydon)
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Re: Power assisted steering

Hi Dog
I discovered that my cars power steering, is infact an electric motor, not a hydraulic pump as is the norm
I have a corsa and it was playing up thats how I now know
so I guess its possible to get a second hand one from a breakers and upgrade a none power steering model.
But as keefee says it may not be cost effective even with old parts. its also possible that it may cause a problem with you insurance as you have modified your car!
when I was a boyracer and used to fit bigger engines in small cars, I needed to get an engineers report to keep the insurance company's happy

still a boyracer just an old boy now big_smile


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#6 07-06-07 18:27:23

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Re: Power assisted steering

still a boyracer just an old boy now big_smile

A boy racer in a one litre corsa, now that is funny  big_smile

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#7 07-06-07 18:31:04

Michael (in Croydon)
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Re: Power assisted steering

lol
thats the only way to keep me under 30mph big_smile


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#8 07-06-07 18:38:20

dog
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Re: Power assisted steering

Hm. I don't see why ALL cars produced after a certain date don't have the same features. My mates 1995 M reg Cavalier has PAS, yet another mate of mine's 2001 Saxo doesn't have it. Six years older and it's lacking old technology :?

Edit: the Cavalier has ABS too, and the Saxo doesn't.

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#9 08-06-07 09:31:52

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Re: Power assisted steering

The cavalier was significantly heavier than the lightweight Saxo is - I believe the original cavaliers were made out of great big lumps of stone? ;-)

The cavalier was actually a much higher spec car than the Saxo.... Citroen didn't build cars like they are doing now. Just look at current lineups, Cavalier is now the Astra - similar shape just much more refined (but much worse!) - the Saxo just doesn't exist any more - sure the C2 is probably what it has become but looks nothing like the older models.

As for fitting PAS to an older car, it really isn't cost effective IMO

#10 08-06-07 17:47:28

dog
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Re: Power assisted steering

I thought the Cavalier was replaced by the Vectra :?

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#11 08-06-07 18:12:03

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Re: Power assisted steering

Just a general question really, is it possible to get power steering fitted to a car which doesn't have it?

Yes it is possible, but the cost is going to be the prohibiting factor.

First off think of it as being made up of three bits.
1. The pump
2. The steering rack
3. The geometry of the steering it self.

1. Older cars with power steering and a pump that was mechanically driven, typically via a auxiliary drive belt. This pump provides the hydraulic pressure to help move the steering rack when you turn the wheel. Modern cars are now fitted with self contained electrically driven pump. As an idea the pump alone cost well over £300 for most car.

2. The steering rack has additional internals valves, seals, etc. Modern racks have sensors so that the more lock you put on the more mechanical assistance you get, even cleverer than that they are now linked to the engine management unit that senses speed and lock and adapts accordingly to the given conditions. Again £300+

3. Because of the mechanical assistance the actual geometery of the steering links and set up can differ, so that's another cost, add to that all the bits of wire and gumins to connect the lot together and there won't be any change out £800-£1200.

A few years back only larger car had it fitted due to the cost, however things have moved on and it's pretty much standard on anything more than 3 years old, unless it's some thing megga cheap.


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#12 08-06-07 19:01:11

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Re: Power assisted steering

My mate had a corsa, without power steering, and went to the garage and said he wanted it fitted!

It only cost him £100 inc fitting I think he said because they got the parts off a scrapyard corsa (lol they all are, oh sorry) and fitted that!


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#13 08-06-07 19:10:00

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Re: Power assisted steering

It only cost him £100 inc fitting I think he said because they got the parts off a scrapyard corsa (lol they all are, oh sorry) and fitted that!

Skoda Joke time.... big_smile big_smile :evil:

What's the difference between getting out of a Skoda and getting out of a sheep?
You don't get so embarrassed if someone sees you getting out of a sheep.

Whats the difference between a Jehova Witness and a Skoda?
You can shut the door on a Jehova Witness!

Wanna new petol cap for a skoda?
No thought not, not a good swop.

A guy goes into his local garage and asks "Do you have a windscreen wiper for my Skoda???"
"Sounds like a fair swap" replied the man in the garage.

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#14 08-06-07 19:21:51

dog
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Re: Power assisted steering

Sorry but just got to add to that:

What do you call a Skoda with twin exhausts?
A wheelbarrow.

What do you call a Skoda with a sunroof?
A skip.

Why do Skoda's have heated rear windows?
To keep you hands warm when you're pushing them.

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#15 08-06-07 19:45:41

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Re: Power assisted steering

Hi

I thought the Cavalier was replaced by the Vectra :?

It was.
The Astra replaced the Viva and the
Nova was a totally new low end model which was called a Corsa everywhere else in the world and was renamed Corsa here when the next shape came in.

However as is the nature of these things, so far as dimensions are concerned:-

The first RW drive Cavalier was as small, if not smaller than, the current Astra.
The first Viva was as small, if not smaller than, the current Corsa, and the last Viva was bigger than the first Cavalier.

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#16 08-06-07 19:56:25

dog
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Re: Power assisted steering

I wasn't aware that there were any RWD Cavaliers, infact, I thought pretty much all commercial cars in the UK (with the exception of BMW's) were FWD or AWD?

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#17 08-06-07 20:11:09

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Re: Power assisted steering

Hi
It is only in the last 25 to 30 yrs that FWD has become predominant.

Cav Mk 1 rwd 1975-81
Cav Mk 2 fwd from 1981 etc.

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#18 09-06-07 18:33:42

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Re: Power assisted steering

still close enough - the astra is still a similar shape to the later cavaliers


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#19 13-06-07 15:55:14

msdarcy721
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Registered: 04-06-05
Posts: 1,674

Re: Power assisted steering

ijmoore wrote:

It only cost him £100 inc fitting I think he said because they got the parts off a scrapyard corsa (lol they all are, oh sorry) and fitted that!

Skoda Joke time.... big_smile big_smile :evil:

What's the difference between getting out of a Skoda and getting out of a sheep?
You don't get so embarrassed if someone sees you getting out of a sheep.

Whats the difference between a Jehova Witness and a Skoda?
You can shut the door on a Jehova Witness!

Wanna new petol cap for a skoda?
No thought not, not a good swop.

A guy goes into his local garage and asks "Do you have a windscreen wiper for my Skoda???"
"Sounds like a fair swap" replied the man in the garage.

DD

Sorry but just got to add to that:

What do you call a Skoda with twin exhausts?
A wheelbarrow.

What do you call a Skoda with a sunroof?
A skip.

Why do Skoda's have heated rear windows?
To keep you hands warm when you're pushing them.

smile

oi oi oi guys!

the ride of your life i'll have you know lol lol

i think you're only jealous really big_smile

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#20 17-06-07 15:53:04

ijmoore
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From: Staffordshire
Registered: 25-10-06
Posts: 1,077
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Re: Power assisted steering

My Skoda is ace, and my pupils love it.  not only that, but went upto manchester this w/end and got 53mpg there and back! on petrol, and it wasn't a slow journey but safe + legal obviously!

great car :op


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