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#1 30-05-07 13:40:17

standon11
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how do the search engines work?

how do the search engines work?i have had a website up & running for about 3 or 4 weeks which jonks did for me.i keep looking every few days to see if iv'e moved up the pages & on google iv'e got up to page 4 as of today which i'm well happy with for now,also not bad on yahoo.but most others i'm well down & on msn search even if i type in my website it doesn't come straight up it only shows my yell.com advert.

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#2 30-05-07 14:05:48

pinball
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Re: how do the search engines work?

My website was also done by Jonks, Not sure what happens but can`t find myself on the search engines,
I also believe you need to be on first page because most people don`t look past the first page.

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#3 30-05-07 17:44:35

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Re: how do the search engines work?

It depends what you search for, and whether you're optimised for it - as long as you are (I'm sure jonks has got it right) you should start creeping up there.

It's worth getting links from other sites (the directory here is a good place to start), and having the information on your page geared toward the search you want to turn up for. Make sure your main headings are search friendly, so instead of "welcome to daves driver training site" as your heading you would be better off with "Driving lessons in Thatchamburgh".

Think about how you would go about finding a business like yours, and try to integrate those search terms that you would use in your text.

I'm sure jonks will have a look at them and make sure you're doing ok, but remember that it can take a few months for a site to move up to page 1 - unless you use sledgehammer SEO techniques like I do, in which case you can shoot up to page 1 in days or crash out completely for months - but hey, that's half the fun of it!

If you want to help things along a bit, try to get yourself listed on as many directories as possible - use the free ones, and the easiest way to find them is to search for "driving lessons (your area)" and see what turns up - most of them have a "submit your site" section. Avoid the pay per ad ones.

In the meantime, you might consider an adwords campaign - I haven't used this yet but I'm sure someone will be able to help as I know a few guys on here have with some good results - as this will get you in the "sponsored results" section of searches (usually the right column on google).

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#4 30-05-07 17:52:37

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Re: how do the search engines work?

Not sure why standon but it looks like jonks hasnt finished seo on site, as the website title says untitled document. All search engine use different algorithyms to work out suitability for its content. As Jonks is a pro im sure he knows what hes doing, but is unusual to see he  hasnt optomised site as yet-ask him if he has. maybe he has a way of doing it i am not aware of.


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#5 30-05-07 21:50:05

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Re: how do the search engines work?

Hi Tim/Captainhook
How do you know all this stuff?  Jonks has just done a site for me and I really want to understand how all this stuff works.
How did you learn about it??  What can I do to understand it all?

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#6 30-05-07 22:31:14

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Re: how do the search engines work?

Read up on search engine optomisation or seo. there are some topics about it on this forum. Try downloading web ceo its free and offers advise to optomise your site.


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#7 30-05-07 22:43:47

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Re: how do the search engines work?

My website was also done by Jonks, Not sure what happens but can`t find myself on the search engines,
I also believe you need to be on first page because most people don`t look past the first page.

Pinball, its way too early to edxpect major results yet, your site is only a few weeks old. You need to exchange links with some websites to get your Pagerank up a bit


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#8 30-05-07 22:46:14

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Re: how do the search engines work?

Read up on search engine optomisation or seo. there are some topics about it on this forum. Try downloading web ceo its free and offers advise to optomise your site.

Would not ever rocommend SEO software. SEO is not an exact science, it take trial and error and a lot of work. NO software can help you optimise your site. Well not very well anyway.


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#9 30-05-07 22:58:36

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Re: how do the search engines work?

Hi Tim/Captainhook
How do you know all this stuff?  Jonks has just done a site for me and I really want to understand how all this stuff works.
How did you learn about it??  What can I do to understand it all?

You can learn the basics from articles and forums about SEO, but beware, a lot of the information you will read is out of date or written by people who are not really up to date with whats going on on the search engines. You can only really learn amature SEO from the net, because once you work out what works, you keep it a very closely guarded secret if you have any sence.

The search engine are changing all of the time and techniches must change too.

If you own your own small business website and are optmising it yourself, the best advice I can give you is, keep it simple. dont over optimise because you will actually be doing yourself damage.

Site built by me are usually optimised by me, and I will look after and monitor the site, but the important thing to remember always is that results in the search engines do not happen overnight. It can take weeks, even months to get the desired results, particulary if your domain is new.

Exchange links and make sure you have links in plenty of directories. Inbound links are worth more than MOST onsite optimisation.

Beware: The search engines know exactly what people do to try and improve their rank. Don't try too hard.


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#10 30-05-07 23:01:45

jonks
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Re: how do the search engines work?

how do the search engines work?i have had a website up & running for about 3 or 4 weeks which jonks did for me.i keep looking every few days to see if iv'e moved up the pages & on google iv'e got up to page 4 as of today which i'm well happy with for now,also not bad on yahoo.but most others i'm well down & on msn search even if i type in my website it doesn't come straight up it only shows my yell.com advert.

chris

I have not finished the on site optimisation yet standon11, it will be done in the next couple of days. don't worry though, you will get results very soon.


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#11 30-05-07 23:04:08

jonks
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Re: how do the search engines work?

Hi Tim/Captainhook
How do you know all this stuff?  Jonks has just done a site for me and I really want to understand how all this stuff works.
How did you learn about it??  What can I do to understand it all?

your site has only been online for a few days and you are already number 2 on google for "Female driving instructor in Peterborough" which is outstanding SEO, even for me. No sandbox effect what so ever.


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#12 30-05-07 23:19:40

jonks
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Re: how do the search engines work?

how do the search engines work?i have had a website up & running for about 3 or 4 weeks which jonks did for me.i keep looking every few days to see if iv'e moved up the pages & on google iv'e got up to page 4 as of today which i'm well happy with for now,also not bad on yahoo.but most others i'm well down & on msn search even if i type in my website it doesn't come straight up it only shows my yell.com advert.

chris

You are number 1 on google for driving lessons in cantley http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rl … arch&meta=

You are number 2 on google for driving instructors in cantley
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rl … arch&meta=

You are number 2 on Google for Driving schools in cantley
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rl … arch&meta=

You are number 1 on google for cantley driving school
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rl … arch&meta=

You are number 1 on google for cantley driving lessons
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Cantle … GB202GB202

You are number 1 on google for cantley driving instructor
http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Cantle … GB202GB202

Now thats SEO

Not sure what you were searching when you forund yourself on page 4 smile

#13 31-05-07 07:05:54

timmanwaringadi
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From: Devon
Registered: 29-08-06
Posts: 2,406
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Re: how do the search engines work?

I use webceo simply so I can check on my ranking for several different search terms, and check on backlinks - it's useful for that if nothing else.

I completely agree with jonks on mucking around with your own SEO, though learning a little about how it works is very useful.

I don't know enough about it to do much more than sort out the keywords and headings etc for the search terms that I want to be found for. It is however pretty simple when you realise that in effect all you are doing is making sure that you are putting the right information in the right places.

Read up on it, but don't change anything yourself if jonks has done your site, but I'm sure he won't mind the occasional pm if you decide that the searches you want to turn up for have changed.

Doing it yourself can wind up leading you into the kind of problems that I've had, like getting yourself onto page 1 on msn and yahoo for "Driving Instructor Training" - which seems a pretty huge thing considering all the big companies spending money on that search term all over the UK, until you find that you've managed to get yourself kicked down to page 15 on google for a much smaller local search!!!

Still, it's all fun innit!

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#14 31-05-07 15:31:38

Mcshadaw
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Registered: 18-07-05
Posts: 134

Re: how do the search engines work?

Thanks for the info.  Jonks has done a great job of my site and the ranking so far, with it being such a new site. I don't intend to mess with it myself, I just want to understand how it works for myself......I'm not a control freak! just interested!

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#15 31-05-07 15:36:58

pinball
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From: lancashire
Registered: 18-11-06
Posts: 1,149
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Re: how do the search engines work?

pinball wrote:

My website was also done by Jonks, Not sure what happens but can`t find myself on the search engines,
I also believe you need to be on first page because most people don`t look past the first page.

Pinball, its way too early to edxpect major results yet, your site is only a few weeks old. You need to exchange links with some websites to get your Pagerank up a bit

Hi Jonks did you get the PM that i sent you about what timmanwaringadi had mentioned to me to help with my search engine.

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#16 31-05-07 16:52:47

standon11
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From: doncaster
Registered: 30-11-06
Posts: 632

Re: how do the search engines work?

i understand that i come top on google if i type in driving school cantley etc,but if i put in a wider search like driving school doncaster i come a lot further down.most people who put a search in are not going to type in driving school cantley they will use doncaster as a whole.

chris

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#17 31-05-07 17:55:14

captainhook
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Registered: 12-06-06
Posts: 2,197
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Re: how do the search engines work?

So ask jonks to include this in your seo.


For intensive driving courses or weekly lessons from a driving school using the latest Audi A3 - covering the Slough and surrounding areas - visit www.go-pass-driving-school.co.uk

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#18 31-05-07 19:52:18

jonks
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Re: how do the search engines work?

i understand that i come top on google if i type in driving school cantley etc,but if i put in a wider search like driving school doncaster i come a lot further down.most people who put a search in are not going to type in driving school cantley they will use doncaster as a whole.

chris

Doncaster will come. Its very early days at the moment. I'll see what I can do to get the doncaster keyword within the next couple of weeks.

#19 31-05-07 20:53:53

standon11
Verified Member
From: doncaster
Registered: 30-11-06
Posts: 632

Re: how do the search engines work?

thanks jon.

the whole web business goes way over my head.i'd like to get to understand things more but i don't have time really or rather i don't have the inclination for it,that's why i leave to the experts.

chris

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