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#1 08-05-07 06:04:02

dickdastardly
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New TV programme on driving issues.

Next Monday the 21st at 21.00 on ITV is a new series dealing with motoring issues. The first in the series looks at older drivers. Might be worth a look.

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#2 08-05-07 07:33:38

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

Yes I saw that advertised last night  - already set the digibox to record it!  smile


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#3 08-05-07 19:55:25

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

Hi

Next Monday the 21st at 21.00 on ITV is a new series dealing with motoring issues. The first in the series looks at older drivers. Might be worth a look.

Next Monday is the 14th, which is it, the 14th or the 21st?

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#4 08-05-07 20:42:10

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

I am going to watch this program with interest

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#5 08-05-07 21:26:57

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

Hi

dickdastardly wrote:

Next Monday the 21st at 21.00 on ITV is a new series dealing with motoring issues. The first in the series looks at older drivers. Might be worth a look.

Next Monday is the 14th, which is it, the 14th or the 21st?

My sky thingy is telling me it's the 14th so next monday  smile


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#6 09-05-07 06:12:46

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

Yes it is the 14th. I go on holiday on the 21st so I guess I'm thinking about that.

I do think that it's a series that runs over several weeks though.

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#7 12-05-07 10:18:44

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

I now think the first in this series is on 4 x 4's. Think the older driver one is the following week.

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#8 14-05-07 09:27:12

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

Just a reminder to all it's on TONIGHT at 9pm, ITV1

From ITV's site:
In the first of three programmes offering celebrities the chance to get something off their chest on the subject of motoring, John Sergeant rails against the 4x4. The journalist argues that the vehicles create far more pollution than is necessary to simply get from A to B and are nothing more than a marker of social status, while advocates express the view that the cars offer increased safety and reliability

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#9 14-05-07 10:14:19

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

Thanks for the reminder - I can see me exploding with rage knowing ITV's reporting and having to surpress my anger at advocates views that they offer increased safety and reliability.

Certainly not safer for pedestrians or other cars, and with most 4x4's the only reliability they have is the regularity that they go back to the dealer to be fixed!

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#10 14-05-07 23:24:44

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

Did anyone else want to bang heads together after watching this?

Surely there will be a huge customer base when 4x4's become too expensive to own re-training people who have lost the ability to drive defensively when they have to get back into normal sized cars?

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#11 15-05-07 06:08:13

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

Thanks for the reminder - I can see me exploding with rage knowing ITV's reporting and having to surpress my anger at advocates views that they offer increased safety and reliability.

Certainly not safer for pedestrians or other cars, and with most 4x4's the only reliability they have is the regularity that they go back to the dealer to be fixed!

If I remember rightly, One of the motoring programs broadcast some tests showing that the 4x4's weren't any safer for the occupants either!

All the arguments are becoming too generalised.  Some new 4x4 are as economical as many cars.

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#12 15-05-07 07:25:51

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

All the arguments are becoming too generalised.  Some new 4x4 are as economical as many cars.

Nigel

Nigel, have you been taken in? Find me a 4x4 that is as economical as the equivalent sized car? And that does the same amount of damage to the roads due to being only the same weight?

Yes you can find 4x4's that aren't as bad as other 4x4's, but the construction of off-road vehicles and the extra gearing and powertrain equipment make them heavier and less efficient.

You can find 4x4's that look the same as normal cars, so don't do the same damage to pedestrians/other cars that they hit, but the simple fact is that if you don't need 4x4 equipment(for towing, off-roading, living in sweden with 6 months of snow) then you should be taxed for your fashion victim tendencies and the way they affect the rest of us.

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#13 15-05-07 07:38:20

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

I recorded it so haven't watched it yet... out of interest, did anyone see Road To Ruin: Tonight (Trevor McDonald) - discussing the appaling state of Britians roads? I only managed to see last 15 mins but some of the pot holes shown were unbelievable!

Andy

#14 15-05-07 07:44:49

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

Honda CRV 2.2 diesel 43.5mpg combined vs Ford Focus S-Max 2.0 diesel 48.7mpg.  Not a great deal of difference.

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#15 15-05-07 07:47:16

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

I'm not a maths genius, but that's about 10% there isn't it. And have a look inside the S-Max - it's practically a bus compared to the Honda's taxi. If I found a garage that was selling petrol 10% cheaper I'd be happy.

Have a look at the weight of each too and you'll see why

some of the pot holes shown were unbelievable!

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#16 15-05-07 11:30:46

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

Just watched it... what a waste of an hour of my life! big_smile

#17 15-05-07 11:32:58

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

I was simply astounded at the fact that three seemingly intelligent people hadn't realised all this stuff - it really was pretty basic.

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#18 15-05-07 22:35:23

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

I was really quite appalled by the standard of their driving. Not one for rules and regulations but there is a safety issue here and if people want to drive cars as large as that, and that have a greater potential to inflict more serious injury on people than a standard car, then I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that they both learn how to handle them properly and are assessed as being capable of doing so. I'm even tempted to suggest some people carriers should fall into the same category. I had to help a woman with a Picasso back out of a space she had jammed herself in, in my work's car park, at 5pm with other people also all trying to get home and maybe not being as sensible as they might. All because she couldn't/wouldn't reverse it into the space. Similarily, in my local town centre, mother with a Galaxy and a brood of kids in the back, badly parked, driven into the space, elderly gentlemen guiding her out in case she hit other cars. While I accept that people make mistakes, gawd knows I have made a few, and maybe the car was new to them, etc, it does concern me if the other people sharing the road don't have full control of their vehicle and are handling it in a hazardous manner.

A 4x4 or MPV would be handy for me tugging a caravan but my parking skills are lacking in a standard hatchback and I would never even contemplate driving/owning/towing with one without tuition and a vast improvement in my spacial awareness. I think it's really quite irresponsible and arrogant of certain drivers to think they can do as they please, and they'd probably be the first to blame the other driver in the case of an accident. The attitude of the guy with the stupid modded 4x4 absolutely stunk. A 4x4 is NOT a sports car by any stretch of the imagination, unless it's a Porsche Cayenne.


And I get scared but I'm not crawling on my knees...

http://www.fordmondeo.org/forum/index.p … ral/26123/

May all your crossroads be signposted.

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#19 18-05-07 07:10:43

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

I've only just watched a recording of this programme. Regardless of the 4x4 issue I was more interested in the ADI they used. When the drivers were reversing as far as I can remember they never looked back once. I know it wasn't a driving test but surely more rearward checks are required as the visibility is restricted. Unless it was cut out she was guilty of failing to point this out.

They might as well of had a dummy in the passenger seat.

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#20 18-05-07 09:16:46

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

I noticed this too - she also seemed to spend a lot of time gazing out the passenger window instead...

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#21 18-05-07 09:18:06

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

I'm not a maths genius, but that's about 10% there isn't it. And have a look inside the S-Max - it's practically a bus compared to the Honda's taxi. If I found a garage that was selling petrol 10% cheaper I'd be happy.....

Granted there is still a 10% difference, I chose the S-Max to compare because size was more similar that the standard Focus.  One of the local RoSPA examiners reckons that he could take many untrained drivers and improve their fuel comsumption by 25%, as could many of us on here.

My argument here, is now that manufacturers are giving more though to the fuel consumption of the 4x4's it is as much the attitude of the driver that affects the fuel consumption and the damage to the environment.

The argumants are becoming too generalised, many of us on here would obtain better fuel consumption from the CRV than many others are getting from the standard Astra or Focus type cars.

Nigel


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#22 18-05-07 11:20:23

timmanwaringadi
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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

I don't think our views are too far apart nigel, I agree there should also be better training for people to understand fuel consumption and more pressure from the media on individual drivers to change their attitudes to the way they drive. I've got links to www.ecodrive.org on several of my websites, and my fleet site has a cost savings page based on fuel consumption savings.

However, a bad driver in a corsa will still get much better fuel consumption than they will in a RAV4, which is about the same size.

Often simple training could make a huge difference to people's confidence and safety in a normal size car, as their reasoning for buying a larger car is skewed due to their feeling of vulnerability in a smaller car - something which as good drivers I suspect we all understand is easy to fix just by being a better driver. How many of us actually feel vulnerable in our little training cars? This same training makes me feel a sense of responsibility when driving a 4x4 because I realise the consequences to a smaller car (and it's occupants) if they were to collide with me.

I may differ slightly (not sure) in that I believe that if people wish to consume more, then they should pay for the consequences of that consumption.

For most people the "choice" of a 4x4 is one made purely on fashion so the costs of that fashion should be apparent to all. One thing about the programme that wasn't mentioned was the simple cost efficiency that they lost because of their fashion choice - often over £1000 a year even when comparing similar vehicle sizes.

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#23 18-05-07 11:25:03

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

...
I may differ slightly (not sure) in that I believe that if people wish to consume more, then they should pay for the consequences of that consumption....

Absolutely and that is why I still beleive that car tax should be added onto the petrol - no one can dodge it then either!

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#24 18-05-07 11:30:25

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Re: New TV programme on driving issues.

I'm in full agreement with you there.

Pay for what you use.

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