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#1 05-05-07 14:46:11

pj
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CBT

I don't think letting 16yr old out on the road after a few days training is good enough. The idiots I see doing wheelies with there L plates on just makes me mad..... I always think " fall that will teach you" :evil: :evil:  then again I suppose we need the organ donors  roll


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#2 05-05-07 15:44:04

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I agree with you PJ the incidence of stupidity on motorbikes locally is frightening. Ev


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#3 05-05-07 15:59:21

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Re: CBT

Yup, it's pathetic that they're allowed on the road after such basic training   roll


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#4 05-05-07 16:17:28

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Re: CBT

I don't know what it's like near you guys, but we've got loads of the electric scooters around here, for which no cbt and no helmet is necessary!

I was undercut turning right on a roundabout yesterday by a lovely young man smoking a fag and talking on his phone on one of these!

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#5 05-05-07 16:19:13

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DO you also have the element that think it is a good idea to fiddle with the bike looking down at the engine as they come behind you at red lights yikes


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#6 05-05-07 16:38:42

Iggy
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Re: CBT

I agree that the CBT is somewhat inadequate for a young inexperienced rider.

However, the course does cover all the major points that a new rider would need to know before "hitting" the road..

The CBT course involves five elements:

A. introduction

B. practical on-site training

C. practical on-site riding

D. practical on-road training

E. practical on-road riding

The five elements have to be completed in sequence, although the order of the exercises within the element can be varied. You will only move on to the next element when your instructor is satisfied you have learnt the necessary theory and demonstrated the practical skills to a safe basic level. Trainees must, by law, receive a minimum two hour on-road ride in Element E.

A candidate on their two hour on-road ride in Element E will no doubt show the instructor the skill required to ride safely. That evening, they will be showing their mates how cool they are by flying around town like a nutter in tracksuit bottoms and trainers. They're bomb proof at that age.. it'll never happen to them.


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#7 05-05-07 16:42:32

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Sounds like it the age old chestnut then give them all the skills to control the machine, but just looking at the list posted seems very skiils based with less of emphasis on creating the correct attitude to the task .


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#8 05-05-07 22:43:01

la.monikita
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Re: CBT

I don't know what it's like near you guys, but we've got loads of the electric scooters around here, for which no cbt and no helmet is necessary!

what ones are those? yikes


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#9 05-05-07 23:33:40

evan
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Apparently Ann Summers are selling them you get to your destination with a smile on your face.  ;D ;D ;D
Well so I am told ;D Ev

#10 06-05-07 17:05:29

ADI349
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Re: CBT

People who ride badly after CBT are no different to Drivers who drive badly after hours or correct training. 

Steve W wink


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#11 07-05-07 22:34:52

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Re: CBT

But it's got to be better than my training - on a 200cc Honda in 1978...

...these are the keys, you pull the clutch thingy in when you change gear - one down four up, so long and thanks for the cash....

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#12 10-05-07 20:53:18

EMMAJANE
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Re: CBT

i done my CBT  test back in october 06, all i had to do was ride around  the roads for 20 mins just to priove i can ride safe

i see a 16 year old the other day doing a wheelie with his crash helmet  undone he was doing a wheelie in a busy road

i was very shocked that they get away with it

em xx


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part 2 ... passed 31st march ....2 faults 
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#13 10-05-07 21:04:06

Michael (in Croydon)
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Re: CBT

I do think its wrong that you can deliver pizzas etc on L plates
In Croydon the local council employ L plated parking wardens on mopeds


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#14 10-05-07 22:14:09

la.monikita
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Re: CBT

why Michael do you want the job? tongue


kidding!!!!!!!!!!! :evil: tongue

well i defo agree, far more dangerous on bike then in the car, so more training needed.


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#15 10-05-07 22:27:53

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Re: CBT

Didn't vote as I feel that doing the CBT for safety is different for certain learners!.  For a 16yr old CBT is no where near enough to get them on the road with L plates, they can do this in a day and then cause havoc for 2 years.  For a responsible car licence holder yes the CBT is fine to make sure they can ride a machine safely displaying a good all round knowledge of road safety, gain experience and then take the test. 


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#16 11-05-07 16:59:59

ADI349
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From: East Yorkshire
Registered: 24-01-05
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Re: CBT

Didn't vote as I feel that doing the CBT for safety is different for certain learners!.

Spot on c-way.

It may not be adequate but it's all we have

i done my CBT  test back in october 06, all i had to do was ride around  the roads for 20 mins just to priove i can ride safe

Emmajane
Sad you hear you were not trained correctly The minimum road ride is 2 hours.


Steve W wink


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#17 30-05-07 20:55:14

zander
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Re: CBT

CBT is a good thing as it does teach the basics to ride a bike/scooter on the road, but it would make sense if it was riders were made to take more road lessons,maybe shorten the life of a CBT to 12 months. I know of 1 guy who took his CBT then without further training sat his test one a 500cc bike  (which was his own) and passed his test, seen him on the road and its only a matter of time before he gets himself into trouble....

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#18 29-08-07 21:09:16

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Re: CBT

I don't think letting 16yr old out on the road after a few days training is good enough

Did my CBT 25TH June this year, its only 1 day training. Like someone just said, for experienced Car drivers its enough, but i did my CBT with a 16year and he had no clue of the highway code. I think that you should be made to do a bike theory if you want to ride any sort of Bike or Moped. I did a bike theory anyway, just to get me a bit more clued up. I was shocked when the instutor told me he couldn't do a theory till he is 17.   yikes


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#19 02-09-07 19:37:28

EMMAJANE
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From: kent
Registered: 18-03-07
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Re: CBT

omg it should of been about that lenth of time  i dont feel confident enough to go out on a bike

i think they should do more of a test for bikes  at 17/18  year old  they can pass there bike test and then go out and  buy  themself a 1000cc bike and then it can be dangerous 

Didn't vote as I feel that doing the CBT for safety is different for certain learners!.

Spot on c-way.

It may not be adequate but it's all we have

i done my CBT  test back in october 06, all i had to do was ride around  the roads for 20 mins just to priove i can ride safe

Emmajane
Sad you hear you were not trained correctly The minimum road ride is 2 hours.


Steve W wink


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#20 05-09-07 23:30:19

Carl1
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Registered: 05-09-07
Posts: 4

Re: CBT

I always think " fall that will teach you"

Really???? yikes  Even with my passionate dislike for little scrotes on scooters I think thats a little harsh.


CBT is a good thing as it does teach the basics to ride a bike/scooter on the road, but it would make sense if it was riders were made to take more road lessons,maybe shorten the life of a CBT to 12 months. I know of 1 guy who took his CBT then without further training sat his test one a 500cc bike  (which was his own) and passed his test, seen him on the road and its only a matter of time before he gets himself into trouble....

Perhaps an answer to that would not be more lessons prior to his test but maybe a tougher test :?  If the examiner thought he was good enough to pass it shouldn't matter how many lessons he paid out for.


i think they should do more of a test for bikes  at 17/18  year old  they can pass there bike test and then go out and  buy  themself a 1000cc bike and then it can be dangerous

Fortunately, at 17/18 they can buy it but can't ride it - if you're under the age of 21 when you pass you are restricted to 33bhp for 2 years and I don't know of any litre bikes that are that under powered wink  That said, I see where you are coming from, Suzuki are offering restrictor kits on their GSXR600s for those on restricted licenses but honestly how hard can they be to remove?  Besides, even at 33bhp they can still chuck you off at will, but its got to be better than a full powered Huyabusa or an R1.  I've been riding for over 6 years and my 1000cc scares me.

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#21 27-01-08 18:20:03

RJHGT
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From: Congleton, Cheshire
Registered: 23-01-08
Posts: 184
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Re: CBT

Perhaps Emma that is why the standard of post CBT is regarded by many as poor? The legal limit is minimum of 2 hours road riding, (excluding comfort breaks) before the DL196 is issued! ATB's are closed down if caught breaking this ruling! If I were you I would go back and ask for my 1hour and 40 minutes of road ride entitelment!
There are schools that are in it for a quick buck, rather than long term!
quote author=EMMAJANE link=topic=24054.msg186375#msg186375 date=1178830398]
i done my CBT  test back in october 06, all i had to do was ride around  the roads for 20 mins just to priove i can ride safe

i see a 16 year old the other day doing a wheelie with his crash helmet  undone he was doing a wheelie in a busy road

i was very shocked that they get away with it

em xx

i done my CBT  test back in october 06, all i had to do was ride around  the roads for 20 mins just to priove i can ride safe

i see a 16 year old the other day doing a wheelie with his crash helmet  undone he was doing a wheelie in a busy road

i was very shocked that they get away with it

em xx


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#22 16-04-10 16:29:26

Blue Peter
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Re: CBT

It probably does not matter how much training you give someone like that.  Their attitude to how they are going to behave on the road has already been set by the way they have been brought up (should that be dragged up?).  It is easy to blame the inadequacies of CBT but it is better than nothing.

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#23 14-12-10 20:51:13

Biker Bear
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From: Westbury, Wilts
Registered: 14-12-10
Posts: 3

Re: CBT

.

i done my CBT  test back in october 06, all i had to do was ride around  the roads for 20 mins just to priove i can ride safe

i see a 16 year old the other day doing a wheelie with his crash helmet  undone he was doing a wheelie in a busy road

i was very shocked that they get away with it

em xx

I find it hard to believe you you say you only had a 20min ride..  The requirement is to be out on the road for 2hrs.  Sounds like to me, the training schl you used are cutting a few corners and could well do with a visit from the DSA..  And to say, you seen a 16yr old doing a wheelie and getting away with it is a ridiculous, he just didn't get caught.  Any police officer seeing him do that would jump on him with severe consequences...

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#24 14-12-10 21:33:35

Biker Bear
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From: Westbury, Wilts
Registered: 14-12-10
Posts: 3

Re: CBT

I don't think letting 16yr old out on the road after a few days training is good enough

Did my CBT 25TH June this year, its only 1 day training. Like someone just said, for experienced Car drivers its enough, but i did my CBT with a 16year and he had no clue of the highway code. I think that you should be made to do a bike theory if you want to ride any sort of Bike or Moped. I did a bike theory anyway, just to get me a bit more clued up. I was shocked when the instutor told me he couldn't do a theory till he is 17.   yikes

Really, you say ' for an experienced car dvr a CBT is enough '  I've witnessed experienced car dvr's not have a clue with co-ordinational skills when it comes to riding a bike.  And the amount that say at the end of the day.. 'well, I never knew that riding a bike could be so difficult '  :evil:

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#25 25-03-11 00:23:36

ADI_phil
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Re: CBT

Being an ADI/Trainer and a bike trainer I firmly believe a cbt should last at least 2 days,
1 day theory and a day minimum practical for people with no previous driving/riding experience.
We are very strict on the candidate achieving the required standard to be allowed to complete the final 5th element of the 2 hr road ride.
We probably refuse to issue more cbt certs on the first day than any other school in the area due to either inexperience or attiutde to the cbt.
All my guys always ask themselves if it were their son or daughter would they give them the keys to the 125/50cc bike and say go enjoy yourself.

we also sign a declaration to say they have reached a required standard to allow them to ride on the highway.
Attiude is a big problem with the young ones but we do hammer the point home about riding like an idiot and the effects of riding like that.

Unfortunately they can behave on the day and achieve the required standard but as soon as they leave the site they can than ride like a lunatic...
It should be able to pull a cbt cert by the police/cbt trainer if they are seen riding in a dangerous manner. it might make them think again if they were caught.
acting stupidly.

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