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#26 02-11-05 16:28:01

Morgan
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Re: Speeding whilst overtaking

ADI349 wrote:

In my opinion to DE was wrong.  It is alright sayong no court or police officer would give you a ticket but a camera would have one issued to you and unless the picture picked up the 'offending' vehicvle on the other carriagewat you would find it difficult to argue.

Surely having a DE as your witness would be sufficient.

But I agree with you he was wrong from a legal point, but common sense says you get out of the way if you can safely.

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#27 02-02-06 22:31:46

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Re: Speeding whilst overtaking

What we must do here is separate the legal side of things from those things which, if not done, might cause us harm. By this, I mean that it is definitely, without doubt, against the law to exceed the speed limit even if overtaking.

However, if during an overtake, a situation arises whereby the choice is to either exceed the speed limit or die, then the sensible option is to exceed the speed limit and live. If this occurs, you have probably not planned sufficiently but that does not avoid the fact that you have still broken the law.

The difference is that you may not be caught, you may not be prosecuted and you may even, possibly, be commended for making a safe decision if the circumstances are appropriate which is not very often. But that's  a practical decision that, if necessary, has to be made by the police. If it's a speed camera, there is no other evidence than a photo and you WILL be done whatever the circumstances.

Does that help, Jonks?

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#28 02-02-06 22:46:00

Badger
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Re: Speeding whilst overtaking

Bottom line is that nothing makes breaking a speed limit legal.

You may claim extenuating circumstances and throw yourself at the mercy of a jury but your inept driving is not an excuse or reason to break the law.

In Spain however you can exceed the speed limit by 20 kph legally during an overtake.

Maybe we could learn something from the Spaniards.

Badger

#29 02-02-06 23:23:35

pdi
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Re: Speeding whilst overtaking

i would say in my humble opinion if someone is doing 35 in a 40 just stay behind them but if they doing 30 in 40 overtake i mean a spped limit is only a maximum depending on the road and traffic conditions and if you would be taking a risk to overtake with only 5mph to spare then why risk it. its not like your doing 20 in a 40 which would be classed as a hazard-is it

#30 03-02-06 14:42:13

Blew
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Re: Speeding whilst overtaking

Hi Jonks

Don't buy that TVR you will be overtaking everything in sight :evil: big_smile

Blew.

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#31 06-02-06 23:29:07

Russ
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Re: Speeding whilst overtaking

When I was taking my pt2 adi on the m/w section I had made progress to 70. going up hill movedto lane 2 then lane 3 all correct I knew the nex junction was 1/2 mile ahead but no mention from se to take next exit.
As i moved up hill the slow lorries and cars all bunched up as se said next exit!
I could not drop back as all too close no where to go. so increased speed to 82 (think).

Passed pt2 no minors for speeding as told on de brief was only course of action  by se.

Russ

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#32 07-02-06 07:38:33

ExAdiNigel
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From: Plymouth, Devon
Registered: 13-12-04
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Re: Speeding whilst overtaking

When I was taking my pt2 adi on the m/w section I had made progress to 70. going up hill movedto lane 2 then lane 3 all correct I knew the nex junction was 1/2 mile ahead but no mention from se to take next exit.
As i moved up hill the slow lorries and cars all bunched up as se said next exit!
I could not drop back as all too close no where to go. so increased speed to 82 (think).

Passed pt2 no minors for speeding as told on de brief was only course of action  by se.

Russ

No it wasn't the only course of action.  Driving on to the next exit would have been another option and you would have remained legal!  The examiner was being a prat.

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#33 10-02-06 23:52:51

jonks
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Re: Speeding whilst overtaking

Hi Jonks

Don't buy that TVR you will be overtaking everything in sight :evil: big_smile

Blew.

If it doesnt run out of petrol or break down


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#34 11-02-06 11:19:49

Gizmotime
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Re: Speeding whilst overtaking

If it doesnt run out of petrol or break down

That's if you can afford the petrol big_smile big_smile

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#35 13-02-06 19:15:37

Andi
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Re: Speeding whilst overtaking

and the insurance!! :evil:

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#36 05-03-06 15:29:12

evan
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Re: Speeding whilst overtaking

Pity the police don't role model what they enforce, I've seen some diabolical police driving on the roundabout outside of my house. How about this one police car going the wrong way around the roundabout minutes before school children were due to leave nearby school. Enraged my neighbour so much he phoned the chief rozzer, usual load of guff and excuses, rounded off with the police are not governed by speed limits etc. Explains the idiot rozzer doing 150 plus in his new car then doesn't it.

#37 05-03-06 17:57:35

pdi
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Re: Speeding whilst overtaking

having said that i witnessed a poilice driver doing a high spped up to a main r/bout but whilst on the r/bout indicated correctly and everything to turn right so they are not all that way

#38 05-03-06 18:15:58

evan
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Re: Speeding whilst overtaking

That is very true pdi they are not all out there flouting the law. But just as we are expected to drive sensibly and safely, I feel that the police being law enforcement officers, should at least adhere to the rules that they paid to enforce. We are all driving on the same roads subject to the same rules and regulations, there is no excuse for bad driving, just laziness and a sense of arrogance, and I direct that comment to anyone who drives badly.

#39 06-03-06 19:49:16

ADI349
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Posts: 193

Re: Speeding whilst overtaking

Evan

I agree with everything you say.  I can assure you that where I work all officers on driving courses are informed they must set an example to other road users.  However as with all drivers, learners included, yhey do not always do as they are advised during instruction.

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#40 06-03-06 21:10:26

evan
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Re: Speeding whilst overtaking

Thanks for that Steve its a classic case of the minority giving the majority a bad name, I know that. I drive to the same standards as my part 2 and hopefully above that, that's how I teach and that's how I drive. I am proud of my ADI badge and believe that the public do judge us on our driving performance, so you must set an example. We have letters after our name we must live up and drive up to them or what chance is there for jo public to be encouraged to change.

#41 09-03-06 14:41:38

luchell
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Re: Speeding whilst overtaking

Evan you share my thought exactly. I hate seeing sloppy driving from anyone let alone the police and Adis/Pdis.

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