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#1 16-11-06 18:05:52

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Speed cameras

Couldn't find a more appropriate place to post this so it's in here.

Why do so many people criticize the government for deploying speed cameras? I hear so much of the speed cameras are "revenue generating" and "stealth tax" tools. Well honestly, how can it be a revenue generating tool? If you obey the law and stick to the speed limit, what the BLEEP!!! is the problem?

Not to mention, from April 2007 the revenue generated from speed cameras isn't even going to the NSCP or whoever gets it.

Seriously, why complain about the government trying to whittle money out of you by putting speed cameras up, if you don't want to be fined, OBEY THE LAW!!!

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#2 16-11-06 19:40:44

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#3 17-11-06 11:38:51

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Re: Speed cameras

Agree 110%..........

Stick to the speed limit and your be fine.

My only complaint are that occasionally without the human element sometimes decisions as drivers are made for safety reasons and this in extreme cases or for reasons the camara would not know, you may have just slightly gone over the speed limit.

I have just purely by a moments lack of concentration gone over the speed limit very going through a speed camera, and I would have been very bleep to find I got a ticket.

My Mums got 3 points for going through a traffic light, and she is by no means a persistant speeder. She hardly drives now, and would rarely drive on a road above 30mph.

Without police on the roads you cannot get the real consistant offenders and those breaking the law day in and day out.


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#4 17-11-06 17:08:55

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Re: Speed cameras

In my opinion there should be more speed cameras, and the ones there are already here should be monitored by CCTV so they can catch the idiots who vandalize them and put them in prison for unlawful damage of government property.

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#5 17-11-06 20:46:09

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Re: Speed cameras

Yep, as long as the money is then plowed back into driver education and road safety initiatives.

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#6 18-11-06 07:44:46

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Re: Speed cameras

I think a nice touch would be to have a hidden camera just before the 'obvious' camera to catch those idiots that race up to the camera and then slam the brakes on!   :evil: :evil:

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#7 18-11-06 07:54:18

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Re: Speed cameras

hi
Nigel

How about having another one just a bit further down the road as well, then we can get them 6 points at a time. :evil:

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#8 18-11-06 11:02:54

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Re: Speed cameras

I have my own personal gripe from Down Under.

We don't have fixed speed cameras... yet. NT govt is intending to incorporate speed cameras with red light cameras, we do have red light cameras at 2 intersections but they stopped working in the heat within weeks, couldn't be fixed, govt wisely "neglected" to tell public they stopped working. (Now several years later it's finally become common knowledge).

We have motorcycle cops who occasionall park behind a tree and use a handheld speed gun, and we have 3 or 4 "speed camera vans" which park on the verge and catch the unwary, they shift position regularly. Here in the NT, an oncoming urban motorist flashing his lights isn't saying "you can go first" he's saying "Watch out, speed camera coming up!".
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What REALLY annoys me is that newspaper & radio station "traffic watches" include locations of speed van locations, dutifully provided by the police (I bet they secretly hate it but government, to whom votes are more important than lives, decreed it).


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#9 18-11-06 13:46:52

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Re: Speed cameras

Hi

Here in the NT, an oncoming urban motorist flashing his lights isn't saying "you can go first" he's saying "Watch out, speed camera coming up!".

What REALLY annoys me is that newspaper & radio station "traffic watches" include locations of speed van locations, dutifully provided by the police (I bet they secretly hate it but government, to whom votes are more important than lives, decreed it).

Strangely, where there is a random Radar Speed Check the police will sometimes post another officer back up the road, to book drivers who do that, and yet they also publish leaflets giving the locations of camera sites (Fixed and Mobile) and also inform the local press of some of the Mobile locations to be used in the next week or so.

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#10 18-11-06 13:51:42

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Re: Speed cameras

Remember pegasus, the police vans with the mobile speed traps are designed to get people to slow down, NOT to catch them speeding. The police would rather that people stick to the speed limit and drive safely especially in accident hotspots and school zones, than go over it and then have to pay out however much money.

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#11 18-11-06 14:06:00

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Re: Speed cameras

If people keep to the speed limit there should never be a danger of being caught speeding should there? Best attitude to have is to pretend there is a speed camera on every road, if people drove like that they would not get caught would they?. Ev


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#12 18-11-06 17:06:11

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Re: Speed cameras

Hi

Remember pegasus, the police vans with the mobile speed traps are designed to get people to slow down, NOT to catch them speeding. The police would rather that people stick to the speed limit and drive safely especially in accident hotspots and school zones, than go over it and then have to pay out however much money.

No argument with that I was really just telling the Zip about what's done over here in the mother country.

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#13 18-11-06 19:08:01

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Re: Speed cameras

We do have a big problem with tolerances on speed cameras.

In leicestershire cameras go off at 35 which is just too low and alienates drivers from their real purpose.Wales are also set too low.

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#14 18-11-06 19:13:21

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Re: Speed cameras

In all the years that speed cameras have been about i have never had a fine. As you say keep to speed limit and your ok.


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#15 18-11-06 19:26:09

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A fast car driven recklessly can and often does take you and others to your death.

A hearse on the other hand is always driven slowly, with solemn purpose and followed generally by grieving relatives and friends. It's worth remembering that the last drive we get is a slow one, so it's not worth trying to make it happen quicker than we have to. Ev

#16 18-11-06 19:29:06

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Re: Speed cameras

Maybe one day there will be a speed camera at every lamppost??

In most aircraft we already have transponders and this will be extended next year to all registered aircraft
A transponder sends a radio signal out, so that registered airports know which direction hight and speed you are going
the technology already exists to fit all cars with a transponder
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#17 18-11-06 21:14:58

pegasus
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Registered: 25-02-05
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Re: Speed cameras

Hi

We do have a big problem with tolerances on speed cameras.

In leicestershire cameras go off at 35 which is just too low and alienates drivers from their real purpose.Wales are also set too low.

Surely that is standard ACPO guidlines, 10%+2

35 in 30
46 in 40
57 in 50
etc.

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#18 18-11-06 21:31:17

kjs
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Re: Speed cameras

Don't think that they even allow you 10% + 2 these days. Have heard stories of people getting tickets at 33 in a 30

kjs

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#19 18-11-06 21:51:47

ExAdiNigel
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From: Plymouth, Devon
Registered: 13-12-04
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Re: Speed cameras

....In leicestershire cameras go off at 35 which is just too low and alienates drivers from their real purpose.Wales are also set too low.....

Hector, you know some of the statistics that are bandied about don't you?  The ones like if someone is hit at 20 they have an 90% chance of survival, at 30 they have a 70% chance and at 35 they have a 30% chance of survival.  Do you really think 35 is too low a figure to be doing people  in a 30 limit?  I don't!  What would their speedo be showing if they were caught at 35?  38-40 perhaps?

Nigel


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#20 19-11-06 12:19:07

kjs
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Re: Speed cameras

Agree with Dimmy and Nigel. I live on a busy main road that has a 30mph speed restriction on it, or is supposed to have. My next door neighbour was killed by a driver not doing much more that 30 a couple of years ago, so, my argument to these people that think 35 mph is to slow is, If i was to come and do 35 in a 30 passed your house, and nearly hit your kids thorough no fault of my own, what would you say ?

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#21 19-11-06 22:01:29

c-way
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Registered: 03-10-06
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Re: Speed cameras

It's worth remembering that the last drive we get is a slow one, so it's not worth trying to make it happen quicker than we have to.

too right!  As drivers who care, and by logging onto this forum we are showing that we are interested in safety and good driving practice, this is a sound philosophy.  Speed cameras shouldn't be a worry, we won't be breaking the law to let them trouble us anyway, leave it to the muppets that don't care!


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#22 20-11-06 06:29:58

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Re: Speed cameras

My only criticism of speed cameras is that they will also catch someone who has a slight lapse of concentration resulting in a blip over the limit before it is brought straight back down again, at least a Policeman, following, would see a fuller picture and would be unlikely to stop the person.  None of us can concentrate 100% of the time, although the generalisation is that an 'average' driver (whatever one of them is!) concentrates for 25% of a journey, I would like to think that we (as higher trained drivers) will concentrate for longer.  But with the proliferation of cameras, the odds are that we may well get caught in a moment of weakness!

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#23 20-11-06 07:37:36

hector
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Re: Speed cameras

Sorry guys BUT

In the last 4 years ive seen 600 drivers now on speed awareness courses and im well aware or the statistics, the extra distance to stop etc.
But the average driver will NEVER EVER keep bang on 30 mph, before or after a course,before or after being caught.

Its all about driver attitude, making them try to keep to the speed limit,make an effort.
As for the police keeping to 30, they always hover around the 33 mark!
The problem with cameras being set too low is the average driver then sees them as a revenue machine, not a safety device.
Ive seen a letter from a client in Wales for 33 mph and thats just damn stipid.
Any of us ADI's could easily be done for 33 -35 and thats just not right.
The ACPO giudelines are 36 ABOVE the 10% plus 2. Most councils set at 37+ which is more sensible.
Next year the government will trivialise 35 anyway by implementing just 2 points and a lower fine.Once that happens the clients will actually presume 35 doesnt matter.

The average driver can keep to 30 BUT they lose concentration on the drive by over checking the speedo.
THE LAST THING IM SAYING IS 35 IS OKAY. BUT SENSIBLE CAMERAS GO OFF AT 37!
REMEMBER THEY USED TO GO OFF AT WELL OVER 40.THATS WHY PEOPLE WITH PREVIOUS CLEAN LICENCES SUDDENLY HAVE POINTS.

SET THE CAMERAS REALISTICALLY.

Out of the 600 drivers above trying their best on a speed awarness course every one sped, whilst being watched and trying their damdest not to! Whilst doing a commentary drive as a demonstration on most of the the courses i sped by 1-2 miles per hr.

GOING SLIGHTLY OVER THE SPEED LIMIT IS NOT THE ISSUE HERE, GETTING DRIVERS WHO NORMALLY DRIVE AT 39+ IN A 30, DOWN TO BETWEEN 30-33 IS.

Your average speedo isnt 5 mph out at that speed, more like 1 mph. We had ours checked recently and mine was bang on, out of 3 others only a 1 mph deviation.

And Dimmy your the one who said it was okay to speed and shoot red lights taking someone to hospital!


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#24 20-11-06 12:25:01

Zipper
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From: Darwin, Northern Territory Aus
Registered: 20-08-04
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Re: Speed cameras

...Remember pegasus, the police vans with the mobile speed traps are designed to get people to slow down, NOT to catch them speeding...

Okay, and that is probably the "official" purpose here in the Northern Territory too, but I don't like it!!!
I've been watching the trends over 12 years of driver training, it seems to me the original purpose was to get people to be wary on ALL roads, not to just robotically slow down for roads with a camera. Recently, public opinion combined with political fear of being unpopular (and not being re-elected)  has made our speed cameras something of a farce.
Slow down for a speed camera (and safe a life whoopee!)
Speed up and act like a d*****d elsewhere (whoopee?)


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#25 20-11-06 20:20:57

ExAdiNigel
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From: Plymouth, Devon
Registered: 13-12-04
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Re: Speed cameras

....THE LAST THING IM SAYING IS 35 IS OKAY. BUT SENSIBLE CAMERAS GO OFF AT 37!

Oh stop shouting!  Just because some of us disagree with you! wink

In a 30 limit 35 is NOT okay, the camera trigger certainly shouldn't be set any higher than this.

Nigel


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