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#1 01-11-06 13:05:32

Carlo
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It's Check Test Time...

Hi all,

Got my check test coming up in a couple of weeks an need a little advice  smile.

The pupil which I have lined up is a qualified driver.  Shes had her licence for about 8yrs and now that she has begun her new role at work (bank manager) she needs to travel from branch to branch making sure all is well this means alot of driving.  She rang me up a week ago for an assessment lesson to make sure shes still driving correctly as shes not the most confident driver.  I did the assessment lesson.  From the assessment I notice that she is lacking MSM big time (infact there is no MSM!  big_smile).  So I have decided that the lesson on the CT will be Use of Mirrors  smile.

Now, as shes a qualified driver and has been driving for around 8yrs shes picked up loads of bad habbits (like they do!   roll).  On the check test would I come accross as nit-picking if I try and correct all these?? ...don't want to be patronising (sp)  sad.  Some of the habitts.. coasting (def needs sorting), wrong steering technique, incorrect use of mirrors (as mentioned), being in wrong gear at wrong time.

All advice taken onboard with thanks.  All of a sudden I've become a sponge again (like when I was training  smile).

Carlo
PS: Yep, its my first check test!  yikes


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#2 01-11-06 13:27:51

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Re: It's Check Test Time...

Have a think about whether a problem could lead to a lack of control. You're right that coasting prob needs sorting, but hand crossing is not a problem, unless it causes problems with positioning and steering.
Would it be worth (instead of just use of mirrors) trying to introduce the MSM routine? Might be a bit ambitious to get the whole MSPSL thing done, but if she's a quick learner you may find that your stated aim of mirror use only gets you 20 minutes in. Good luck.

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#3 01-11-06 13:39:11

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Re: It's Check Test Time...

If she is going from Bank to Bank she will need to park up  a lot.  How is her bay/parallel parking?

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#4 01-11-06 13:59:29

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Re: It's Check Test Time...

If she is going from Bank to Bank she will need to park up  a lot.  How is her bay/parallel parking?

Yep, thats what i was thinking too.  She said she hated bay parking (she did say she didn't mind doing it when going shopping though because she was so excited about getting into those shops she didn't care less how many bays she parked accross! smile ).

So maybe start the lesson off with use of mirrors (inc. MSM) making our way over to a site to practice B.Park.  Then bit of bay parking, then back over to the TC (on the way making sure MSM is being used correctly).  Sounds like a plan.  Do you think the SE would mind me doing both subjects?

Thanks
Carlo


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#5 01-11-06 14:03:46

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Re: It's Check Test Time...

So long as you state your subjects in the lesson objectives, it shouldn't be a issue however, if you come across a problem during the lesson and you don't get enough time to cover it all you will need to change the lesson plan accordingly.

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#6 02-11-06 00:13:17

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Re: It's Check Test Time...

If as you say her MSM needs an overhaul then i don't think covering bay parking in the same session is a good idea. You can't expect her to have msm problems that will be remedied within 25-30 mins to allow you time on another topic.

My plan would be to begin with msm when moving off and stopping (she will be doing each at least twice each day just going to work and back again). Any problems with cockpit drill and safety checks could be fixed at this time too. Then i'd move onto using the system on left turns and right turns until she was doing them competently, fixing any issues with speed, control, observations etc.  If there was still time i'd move onto t-junctions and so on until it was time to head back.

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#7 02-11-06 09:40:14

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Re: It's Check Test Time...

hi Carlo
if you see any fault ask a question
do not let anything go if you see a fault ask a question

the lesson must have  a start a middle and a end

  if the lesson goes of track due to other faults don't worry about it

  if she as a bay parking problem you will have to drive to a Car park
  so what do you do if the drive to the car park is poor
  i would agree with the doc
start at the beginning and work from their

good luck regards geebee

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#8 03-11-06 14:42:03

Carlo
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Re: It's Check Test Time...

Thanks so much for all the advice.  It's been of great help!  smile

From reading the replies and give it a good think over the past few days, I have my lesson plan orgaininsed.  I have decided to work on the MSM/PSL routine.  Begining with a very sort briefing on the MSM/PSL (more Q & A really using visual aids).  Then get her stopping using the MSM routine (when I was training, I never used it for moving off.  I use POM for moving off).  Once we have done this a few times I shall go onto the MSPSL routine turning into and out of junctions and concentrate on this  smile.  If it all goes well I may throw in some P.Parking but only if we have time (I will state this in the objective).

I hope it won't come accross as over instructing though.  Her main problem is mirrors before signaling and doing her speed & gear before sorting her position.  Maybe i'm just starting to panic a bit!  neutral

Thanks again for the help
Carlo


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#9 19-11-06 13:10:15

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Re: It's Check Test Time...

Hi all,

Had my check test on Friday.  Didn't get a grade because it was put down as an E  sad.  My lesson plan was as above "Use of MSM/PSL routine".  Took my pupil through moving off and stopping a few times, then went onto junctions using MSPSL.  I thought it was going well as she was really picking it up and towards the end of the lesson I was seldom prompting her with the routine.  Fixed loads of problems whilst practicing ie coasting, speed on approach to junctions, dry steering, observations etc.

At the end of the CT the SE said that the lesson content was good, however it was more aimed at a novice driver   roll.  I can sort of understand what he was saying but on the assessment lesson I had with her I noticed this weakness in her driving (MSM) and though I'd work on it.  I was told I'd be graded an E which he said was fine as it is my first CT and said he'd see me again within 4 months for another one  sad.

This has left me doubting myself a little.  I think for my next CT I shall use a real novice and teach something completely new  neutral.  Has anybody else been in my situation??  I think one of the reasons I'm starting to dislike this job is the fact that it's a lonely one in the sense of when your doubting yourself you feel a little isolated because it's not like you work in an office where theres always colleagues about offering advice  sad

Guess I'm just feeling sorry for myself  :x

Cheers for any advice
Carlo


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#10 19-11-06 13:30:15

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Re: It's Check Test Time...

Hey Carlo don't be doubting yourself take the positives from the experience, remember the check test is also there to help.  Everyone goes through these stages of doubt, it happens.  Be positive and look forward to the next CT.

#11 19-11-06 13:48:10

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Re: It's Check Test Time...

The first check test is normally an educational, and it is also an opportunity for the SE to have a look at what you are doing, and introduce you to how check tests run and allow you to ask any questions.

Try not to be dispondent about things, it seems as if the SE didn't have a negative view to what you were doing so take heart from that. Quite a lot of people don't get graded on their first CT, doesn't mean they aren't any good.

Use the next four months to get yourself in gear for the next one, you can use this experience to get yourself a good grade next time. Ev

#12 19-11-06 18:42:51

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Re: It's Check Test Time...

Carlo, did you get any additional training before the check test, if not I would advise you do before the next one, it can only help wink


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#13 19-11-06 20:16:49

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Re: It's Check Test Time...

Your first check test shouldnt really be educational. As pj says above the idea is to get some training BEFORE going for a check test NOT after!

A few months of tuition by yourself and you get into bad habits same as any other driving skill. Just get someone local to you in the know to observe a session.Youll be amazed what is picked up.

Your lesson plan was fine but as the SE said pitched at the wrong driver. Even though you and i know she probably learnt alot!

A check test is seriously different to a part 3 test, just get some professional advice. Ask around your area for someone who specialises in this field.

Above all don't be downhearted. Easy to impress your SE next time with a top performance!


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#14 20-11-06 08:59:40

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Re: It's Check Test Time...

Thanks for all the kind responses  smile.  Still feeling a bit down about the whole event  sad.

I have a franchise with BSM so CPD comes as part of the package, so I've enrolled onto the CT course in December hopefully this will help alot.

To be honest I think my instruction is up to scratch.  I just think I choose the wrong subject which thinking back now was very basic for a qualified driver.  Had I have choosen another subject (use of speed, dual carriageways, country roads etc) I don't think I would be typing this post   roll.  Ah well, live and learn as they say  neutral

Thanks again.

Carlo


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