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#176 17-08-08 10:57:33

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Re: The Instructor College (nationwide)

Yeah I've had the same problem with them in Leicester, they take your money rush you thru the course, and when you need the help your on a waiting list, been around the block before and know EXACTLY what you mean, Part I and Part II are pretty well organised, when it comes to part III thats where all the trouble begins, its such a shame as they have some dam good teachers, how can you possible learn the Part III syllabus in just a week ? your not on your own !


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#177 25-09-08 16:20:35

Makem Drive
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Re: The Instructor College (nationwide)

Well hear is my thoughts on TIC.

Cost £3495 (29% intrest if not paid within 12 months, £400 cash back on passing).

Sounded good at the time, extra tuition as required, retrains till I pass, learn while working etc.

Part 1 training.

I could have passed written without any training (except for instructor based questions which I learned from the book). Not sure about hazard perception as this never existed when I passed. I didn't even know what a hazard was as to me they were situations you just dealt with. CD ROM at home sorted that out.

Part 2 training.

My use of signals needed work as I rarely used them (my 'need to know' theory was flawed) & I couldn't reverse correctly (didn't know how to). That fact that I always reversed major to minor, into parking bays, into gaps 3 inches wider than vehicle, reversed into side roads up to 100 yards & 20 15mph etc.etc. and had held HGV licence for 25 years didn't help. I had to tell them how to teach me to reverse before I got it right.

The training WAS good for both parts but wasn't tailored for the individual but for the whole group in class & 2 to 1 in car.

Part 3 training.

After the 40 hours I was totally confused (if you have seen the exorcist your will have an idea of how fast my head was spinning), didn't know what was expected of me & in no way, shape or form ready to teach.

Went on a pink to develop my skills but this did not happen at first (then I found  the Blaine Walsh ADITraining.tv web site. Watched the videos & learned a lot. My pupils reaped the benefits.

Have done my 20 hours additional + a further 4 hrs in-car and all I can do with the instructors is go blank. No control, Q&A totally useless & briefing long & pointless. Haven't learned much from them and instructors not willing to demo what we should be doing. I have explained the problem & that things got so bad that I almost got out the car & walked back and was going to pack it all in. Instruction style has no changed so still not progressing towards part 3. Extra sessions will be hard to get as they are very busy.

The instructors ARE GOOD instructors but it is the training style that is wrong, to much in-class, not enough in-car and although they tell us we have to be flexible with our method of teaching pupils to find one that works with them their are NOT flexible with their methods.

I would agree with a lot of what has been posted here and if & when I pass it will not be because of their training. It will be all my own effort based on the videos produced by Blaine Walsh. I am even considering a long drive to his area to have a couple of sessions with him.

All in all, if I had found sites like this prior to signing up with TIC I would not have wasted the money with them.

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#178 07-11-08 21:05:44

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Of the 40 hrs 20 hrs in class & 20 hrs in car. for the follow up 20 hrs 8 hrs are in class & 12 hrs in car. I then had an additional 4 hrs in car. The amount of training you get fits in with the requirements of the DSA. I can see that in hindsight that this is a minimum & for me it would have been better to have gone for 1 to 1 training with an independent trainer. I would have received training more suited to me for less cost.

I have taken 8 hours additional training with Blaine Walsh, the content of the lessons was the same but the style it was delivered was tailored to suit me & I came away with much more understanding of what was expected & far more confidence in instructing instructors. I personally believe that had I done my 40 hours with him then I would have been better equipped to work on a pink. Following that with the 20hrs you need whilst on a pink I probably could have passed first attempt. Total cost would be around £2,5000 (inc. part 1, 2 & 3 test fees), £1,000 less than TIC.

As I have said I have no problems with the instructors, I personally think they are good at what they do but for me the standard training methods did not suit. Don't get me wrong, I did learn a lot & enjoyed doing so but I firmly believe that there should be more in-car training or that what you get should be 1 to 1 and not 2 to 1.
Part of the 2 to 1 method seems to be that you learn as much watching as you do doing but god help anyone watching me, they would only learn how not to do it.

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#179 08-11-08 21:07:46

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Hi Makem

You have definately made the right choice by going to an individual trainer who will soley focus on your needs. Having different trainers and sharing training with different students is no way to operate a proper structured training course. I am sure you will now succeed. All the best.

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#180 09-11-08 14:32:05

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Thanks for the reply Macca. As I said it is my opinion that the instructors are doing their best under the system they have to work in & it is TIC to blame as they operate an 'instructor factory', raw ingredient in, discard what fall out before the end of the production line & recycle the rejects.

Passing the part 3 is down to your own HARD work & study. I was not fit to be let loose on the paying public but working on a pink & home study quickly improved that. Had it not been for the training I paid for privately (video & 1 to 1 with Blaine Walsh) I would still be in the position of not knowing what is expected as the teaching standard. He showed me what should be done & how to do it THEN got me to do it correcting my mistakes after a 5-m10 mins instead of letting me flounder for 30 mins then correcting things I couldn't remember doing (as TIC appeared to do).

If the instructors worked for themselves I could recommend them but would not recommend TIC. You need personal tailored training in the same way as your pupils will once you qualify.

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#181 17-11-08 13:38:18

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We're all here to make money.. but there is a limit !
you fell into their £30K trap ??


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#182 20-11-08 20:36:38

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From previous TIC/red students I understand it is standard practice to get only 20 hours 2-to-1 in-car training (i.e. only 10 hours of real practice as the instructor) out of the 40 hour Part 3 course.

That was the course that I did but if you rang and asked for extra time in the car, they would fit you in somewhere.  If you don't feel ready ask for extra help.  They don't want you to fail your tests.


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#183 25-11-08 22:06:53

Makem Drive
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We're all here to make money.. but there is a limit !
you fell into their £30K trap ??

Didn't fall in to the 30k trap as much as the 'becoming a driving instructor is easy' trap. The so called test drive was little more the a quick run round the block, absolutely no test of instructor ability & as far as driving skills go anyone would qualify. I knew it would not be easy but what I didn't know is that the training would not be enough. If the in car training was tailored 1 to 1 then it would have been worth it. If 2 to 1 with the same people each time then prehaps it could have worked but only if both progressed equally. As it is then you will only pass part 3 if you are good enough to pass with little or no instruction then it is not down to the college but to your own abilities.
Their training is not good enough but it is more the systems fault & not so down to the instructors. they do their best in the time & conditions they have to work.

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#184 25-11-08 22:49:47

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Hi All training with TIC
have a look at this
http://www.ukdic.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12626
and
http://www.ukdic.co.uk/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=12620

please don't just read the first few posts, it may help.


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