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« on: January 09, 2010, 04:05:13 AM »

hi am struggling with bay parking i keep ending up in middle of two bays and keep forgeting my ref point is the ref point in middle of car door  the car is a fiesta my instructor is helping me but with this wether iv not practised with her much lately thanks for your help
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« Reply #1 on: January 09, 2010, 09:17:02 PM »

Hi Chriso,
buy a dry wipe marker (the kind you use to write on whiteboards - not the permanent kind!! ) and draw your line on the window or where I have my seat the line of the bay I have as my initial ref. point is in line with my seatbelt clip.

If you use the same system I teach and it sounds like you do...Chances are you are steering at the wrong rate, the rate of your steering is related to the distance you will travel down the bays - too quick and you'll end up too high, too slow and you'll end up too far down.

Also, pause as your rear wheels enter the bay this is the point at which you should be able to see the line in the left mirror and that will tell you whether you are on track or not.

Good luck.
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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2010, 02:00:01 PM »

i have the same car, most of mine find their own way to do it, but some use the speaker on the door when it lines up with the white line. but i haste,,, only some find that useful/.
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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2010, 02:47:42 PM »

As soon as you realise it's going wrong, pull forward & correct it - it doesn't have to be done in one go!

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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2010, 01:41:41 PM »

dont use reference points use your mirrors its what they are there for, if you are going right use the right mirror to ensure the right rear wheel is in once you know this is in check the left mirror to make sure the left rear wheel is in, if not adjust your steering to get both in, once in straighten car up in bay and finish

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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2010, 04:38:38 PM »

dont use reference points use your mirrors its what they are there for, if you are going right use the right mirror to ensure the right rear wheel is in once you know this is in check the left mirror to make sure the left rear wheel is in, if not adjust your steering to get both in, once in straighten car up in bay and finish

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I'm guessing you don't drive a fiesta smiley
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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2010, 04:42:37 PM »

hi am struggling with bay parking i keep ending up in middle of two bays and keep forgeting my ref point is the ref point in middle of car door  the car is a fiesta my instructor is helping me but with this wether iv not practised with her much lately thanks for your help

Hi Chriso.
Before doing any reversing. PAUSE. Run through it in your mind first. Talk yourself through doing it if you like, that way your instructor will also spot if you are missing something out.

When you are happy you can do it in your mind, prepare the car and do it. smiley
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2010, 06:39:02 PM »

I'm guessing you don't drive a fiesta smiley
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yes i do drive a new fiesta and still its a moot point reference points are a waste of time how many students do we ever have who go out and buy the exact same car and park into the same bays they practice in? arent we teaching studnets how to drive not how to reverse our car into the test centre car parks only? if they use reference points in our car they only know how to park in our car in those car parks betting this contributes to why a hell of a lot of qualified drivers cant park to save their lives.
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2010, 08:29:28 PM »

I am a newly qualified driver and would agree with Peakdriver training that I can't baypark to save my life Sad
what was learnt in lesson was fine, but normally in empty carparks.....

in real life, you have to park in a crowded supermarket or work carpark , or in a narrow street, jammed with a whole row of cars and there is just that one space which looks like one can just about squeeze the car in ...... and then I will have thoughts like will I be able to do a parallelpark before another car comes through  undecided and what if the other car waits the whole day and I still can'tget my car in that space  embarassed    and what if after that I can't get it out because I lack the skill with just a couple of inches of space between the front and back of my car and the ones in front and back of mine......

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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2010, 09:52:46 PM »

Hi Bellydancer.

What you describe is sadly all too familiar to many of the experienced and consciencous instructors that frequent this forum.

With full and due respect to you, but it appears you were the product of a lesser skilled instructor.

My clients are fully confident to be face forward in a space in any car park, and reverse into any other space anywhere in the car park, around obstacles, corners, trees anything, before I allow them anywhere near a test centre.

Of course, it's not appropriate to reverse around car parks like that under normal circumstances, but all my clients do get tasked to be able to reverse into very small spaces and from all angles and distances, including around obstacles.

How? because they understand how the car will react to changes in control, can identify when the car is not doing what they want and how to correct it and do not rely on a fixed method.

It is true that many instructors teach how to bay park by a set routine. Stop here, turn here, straighten here etc. and if the learner can park like that, the instructor moves the lesson on.
That doesn't mean the learner can reverse and park, or understands what they are doing.
This appears to be how you were taught.

However, the more able and conscientious instructors do try to teach reversing and not just a way to do each of the manouevres on the test.

Finally, be wary of following just one persons guidance on forums. They may be totally bogus, or as in Peakdrivertrainings case, come with an unproven record and relatively new to the industry.

To help you gain confidence with your reversing, invest in a couple of sessions with another instructor that is willing to show you how to reverse from any location into any other location with the confidence of being able to do so in the tightest of spaces.

Congratulations on passing your test, and I hope you enjoy your new found freedom and learning how to drive better and safer all the time smiley

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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2010, 10:15:31 PM »

''It is true that many instructors teach how to bay park by a set routine. Stop here, turn here, straighten here etc. and if the learner can park like that, the instructor moves the lesson on.
That doesn't mean the learner can reverse and park, or understands what they are doing.
This appears to be how you were taught.''

cheers for the slating, but the section i have quoted is exactly what i what i was saying about not using reference points and not teaching to do bay park perfectly in one car in one car parking space in an empty car park.
and yes i am new to driving instruction however if i am teaching on the same principles you state above surely you should approve of new instructors trying to raise the standard of driving and instruction.
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« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2010, 10:48:23 PM »

Hi Sam.
The part in red was my concern.

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dont use reference points use your mirrors its what they are there for, if you are going right use the right mirror to ensure the right rear wheel is in once you know this is in check the left mirror to make sure the left rear wheel is in, if not adjust your steering to get both in, once in straighten car up in bay and finish

With many cars, including the fiesta, depending on the approach angle/turning circle applied, checking wether the wheels are going to enter the bay space is required earlier than when 1 or the other has already actually entered it.

for arguments sake, entering a typical sized bay from an approach of lets say 50 degrees and only applying steering when the wheel enters the bay may well result in the vehicle finsishing too close or over the opposite bay line, due to the turning circle of the vehicle.

Regards, Kev.
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